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good to know, thanks...too bad i am not in nyc

although...just realized i am going to barcelona in aprilfacepalm.gif...definitely going to check out their store!
 

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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

Because they are easier to order than they once were? You can go try on Carminas at Epaulet in NYC if you are local (I'm not). All three of those brands (including Meermin) have better availability, QC and design in my experience.

I would rather chance an order for a pair of Vass through that guy on the MC side than roll the dice and a few years on a pair of Aldens I might never see/ could arrive with horrible defects.

Alfred Sargent MTO's are even looking better than Aldens.

Availability is questionable - Vass and Meermin appear to only be available MTO while Carmina is only stocked at 1 retailer. Compare to Alden where there are dozens of retailers that stock a wide variety of styles, widths, etc.
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This argument would only work if Aldens were a lot inferior to the $1,500. John Lobbs. They are not. Hence, they are a bargain in comparison. 
I interpret your statement as a matter of opinion. There are economies of scale which reflect a price point to quality relationship. I have had custom made pairs of John Lobb shoes. They were prohibitively expensive to say the least, but absolutely gorgeous and almost, dare I say it, pretty in comparison to Alden shell. For me, it's still an apples and oranges argument. You've got to ask yourself what shoes would you wear if you had to walk around Manhattan or your own home town all day. My feet say forget about the price, we'd rather be wearing Alden's.
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You can order Carmina from overseas too... without silly non-shipping-to-other-markets rules.

None of the commonly available Alden makeups do much for me. You can add up Vass + Meermin wait times for 5 pairs of shoes and it would add up to maybe half of some current Alden wait times.

I don't dislike the Alden shells I have, but I don't have any desire to go out of my way to buy more.
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Availability is questionable - Vass and Meermin appear to only be available MTO while Carmina is only stocked at 1 retailer. Compare to Alden where there are dozens of retailers that stock a wide variety of styles, widths, etc.

Carmina is stocked at The Shoemart.
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seems I might have to speed up the last couple pairs I'd like to get..

any horror stories ordering from fransboone, shipping into the states? they have a couple pair that I've been eyeballin

Best retailer I've dealt with.

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I have dealt with Adam from AoC before. He was one of the least accommodating retailers I have dealt with. I chose to spend my money elsewhere. YMMV.

Worst retailer I've dealt with.
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I think you can try on Carmina at Epaulet in NYC, but that is about it

I haven't seen a US brick and mortar retailer stocking Vass (correct me
if I am wrong)

I looked high and low for a vass retailer in the US without success. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, just that I haven't found it. As an aside my collection of shoes/boots is compromised of eg and Alden. I tend to choose boots from Alden and shoes from eg. I like a sleeker shoe but a hardier boot. I appreciate each for what they are, instead of focusing what they are not. I will say the lack of shell shortage and some of Aldens policies are a bit frustrating. Extensive lead times coupled with what at times appears to be an indifference to quality control. I haven't had a negative experience with Alden QC, but I have seen enough photos here to convince me that it is an issue. Additionally Aldens price increases seem to be quite frequent which pushes the price closer and closer to eg offerings. Don't get me wrong if shell 4s pop up I'd probably spend north of retail. Some of the prices for Alden shell on eBay recently haven't gotten a little of hand, however if the market will allow it not much else you can do.
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*have gotten out of hand
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The emergence of Carmina in the US market leaves me no desire to buy any more Aldens.

*eta* also in a similar price range: Vass

I disagree about Carmina: I've had two pair, and did not find them better than Alden. Both were shell; I think Alden has them beat in working with shell.

However, Vass has converted me (apologies for the infiltration):

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To update you kids, I ended up going with these...

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Wow, those are just plain awesome.
Has anyone ever ordered from them? Experiences?

Thanks.

 

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The Bureau are great.
They ship pretty quickly via 2nd or 3rd day fedex international.
Never had to pay duty or brokerage on anything from them.

I had the same experience as Zippyh.  Fast shipping and no customs/duty problems whatsoever.

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Since 1905 it has been our mission, and our passion, to produce leather of the finest quality possible. This is a commitment that we put into practice in our operations on a daily basis.

Just when it seemed as though we had seen it all in the leather industry, a new challenge has presented itself. Hide prices have now reached historical highs. Admittedly, this is not a good situation for anyone. While we have all managed to move beyond the troubled economy of a few years ago and started to see encouraging signs of recovery, this is the type of obstacle that can potentially derail those efforts.

The challenge is that people expect fixed price commitments, and we respect and understand that. Hides represent the single largest component in the cost of a piece of finished leather. The reality is that with hide price increases of this magnitude there must also be movements in leather prices to reflect these changes. Accordingly, leather orders that are not covered by existing blanket orders will be priced at the date of the sale to reflect the present days market. It is our fondest hope that the market will regain some sanity. As hide prices come down, as they most certainly will, we will gladly deliver the good news about price decreases on our finished leather.

All of us here at Horween welcome the opportunity to discuss this, and we will continue to make it our commitment to work together to find solutions that are mutually acceptable.

Best Regards,

Horween Leather Company

Cynic in me finds the bolded hard to believe. First off, politically and socially, I don't think markets will drop back down in the first place.

Secondly, assuming they will drop prices sometime (?) in the future, and further assuming that Alden demand means every pair of preorders sells, then I doubt Horween (or Alden) would ever "re-drop" their prices when shortages have cleared up. TBH, businesses are in it for the profit margins. To say that they wouldn't keep their prices up is ridiculous. Even empassioned fans of the brand would have to see that.

I'm selling x for $y. All of a sudden, my costs drop. What retailer in their right mind, while demand remains consistent (or even continues to rise) wouldn't maintain their prices at $y?
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I love the double waterloc sole. I am reminded of that everytime I wear my #8 Barrie wingtip boots. So comfortable...
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I was at an Alden retailer this weekend and was told: in the coming months, Alden will not allow any web sales of its shoes. Apparently Alden has told retailers that they must remove Alden shoes from online shops. I was told this is due to the lack of shell available for production at the moment. I did not ask any questions, just listened. I would have asked: all Alden or just cordovan, how can they do that, why does it matter how retailers are selling the shoes? I can see that public sentiment would be lowered if no shoes are ever available (always being 'sold out' online); therefore, removing them from online shopping would not make the public think the company has a lack of production capacity or ability. Anyway, I am not verifying his statement as accurate, simply reporting what he told me. Anyone hear anything similar lately?

Not calling you a liar by any means, but I'll believe this when I see it.

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hmm...astute

what do you mean when you say carmina/meermin/vass have emerged in the us market? last i checked, they were only available online. i'm still nervous about buying them because i have no idea how my feet fit in their lasts!

 

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I think you can try on Carmina at Epaulet in NYC, but that is about it

I haven't seen a US brick and mortar retailer stocking Vass (correct me if I am wrong)

I'm pretty close to 100% sure that Nettleton's in Pittsburgh (of all places) stocks both Vass and Carmina.  Perhaps Frank can confirm this, as I know he's been there.  Scott, the proprietor is a GREAT guy if anyone ever has the pleasure of dealing with him.  He called me up in Nov/Dec to alert me of 3 makeups he just received.  I know at least 2 of them were Carmina, I think one of them was shell, but don't remember if it was one of the Carminas or whatever the third one was.  He doesn't stock a whole lot of anything, so the selection would be limited, but if anyone ever has the misfortune of visiting that excuse for a city, Nettleton's definitely deserves a look.

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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

Not calling you a liar by any means, but I'll believe this when I see it.

I'm pretty close to 100% sure that Nettleton's in Pittsburgh (of all
places) stocks both Vass and Carmina.  Perhaps Frank can confirm
this, as I know he's been there.  Scott, the proprietor is a GREAT guy if
anyone ever has the pleasure of dealing with him.  He called me up in
Nov/Dec to alert me of 3 makeups he just received.  I know at least 2
of them were Carmina, I think one of them was shell, but don't
remember if it was one of the Carminas or whatever the third one was.
 He doesn't stock a whole lot of anything, so the selection would be
limited, but if anyone ever has the misfortune of visiting that excuse for
a city, Nettleton's definitely deserves a look.


Checked the site, Vass isn't listed however, there is the "and others" catch all in there. If frank doesn't post it first I will give them a call tomorrow.
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