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Originally Posted by kwhitelaw View Post

seems I might have to speed up the last couple pairs I'd like to get..

any horror stories ordering from fransboone, shipping into the states? they have a couple pair that I've been eyeballin

Best retailer I've dealt with.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

I have dealt with Adam from AoC before. He was one of the least accommodating retailers I have dealt with. I chose to spend my money elsewhere. YMMV.

Worst retailer I've dealt with.
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

I think you can try on Carmina at Epaulet in NYC, but that is about it

I haven't seen a US brick and mortar retailer stocking Vass (correct me
if I am wrong)

I looked high and low for a vass retailer in the US without success. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, just that I haven't found it. As an aside my collection of shoes/boots is compromised of eg and Alden. I tend to choose boots from Alden and shoes from eg. I like a sleeker shoe but a hardier boot. I appreciate each for what they are, instead of focusing what they are not. I will say the lack of shell shortage and some of Aldens policies are a bit frustrating. Extensive lead times coupled with what at times appears to be an indifference to quality control. I haven't had a negative experience with Alden QC, but I have seen enough photos here to convince me that it is an issue. Additionally Aldens price increases seem to be quite frequent which pushes the price closer and closer to eg offerings. Don't get me wrong if shell 4s pop up I'd probably spend north of retail. Some of the prices for Alden shell on eBay recently haven't gotten a little of hand, however if the market will allow it not much else you can do.
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*have gotten out of hand
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

The emergence of Carmina in the US market leaves me no desire to buy any more Aldens.

*eta* also in a similar price range: Vass

I disagree about Carmina: I've had two pair, and did not find them better than Alden. Both were shell; I think Alden has them beat in working with shell.

However, Vass has converted me (apologies for the infiltration):

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To update you kids, I ended up going with these...

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Originally Posted by sazon View Post


Wow, those are just plain awesome.
Has anyone ever ordered from them? Experiences?

Thanks.

 

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Originally Posted by zippyh View Post


The Bureau are great.
They ship pretty quickly via 2nd or 3rd day fedex international.
Never had to pay duty or brokerage on anything from them.

I had the same experience as Zippyh.  Fast shipping and no customs/duty problems whatsoever.

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Since 1905 it has been our mission, and our passion, to produce leather of the finest quality possible. This is a commitment that we put into practice in our operations on a daily basis.

Just when it seemed as though we had seen it all in the leather industry, a new challenge has presented itself. Hide prices have now reached historical highs. Admittedly, this is not a good situation for anyone. While we have all managed to move beyond the troubled economy of a few years ago and started to see encouraging signs of recovery, this is the type of obstacle that can potentially derail those efforts.

The challenge is that people expect fixed price commitments, and we respect and understand that. Hides represent the single largest component in the cost of a piece of finished leather. The reality is that with hide price increases of this magnitude there must also be movements in leather prices to reflect these changes. Accordingly, leather orders that are not covered by existing blanket orders will be priced at the date of the sale to reflect the present days market. It is our fondest hope that the market will regain some sanity. As hide prices come down, as they most certainly will, we will gladly deliver the good news about price decreases on our finished leather.

All of us here at Horween welcome the opportunity to discuss this, and we will continue to make it our commitment to work together to find solutions that are mutually acceptable.

Best Regards,

Horween Leather Company

Cynic in me finds the bolded hard to believe. First off, politically and socially, I don't think markets will drop back down in the first place.

Secondly, assuming they will drop prices sometime (?) in the future, and further assuming that Alden demand means every pair of preorders sells, then I doubt Horween (or Alden) would ever "re-drop" their prices when shortages have cleared up. TBH, businesses are in it for the profit margins. To say that they wouldn't keep their prices up is ridiculous. Even empassioned fans of the brand would have to see that.

I'm selling x for $y. All of a sudden, my costs drop. What retailer in their right mind, while demand remains consistent (or even continues to rise) wouldn't maintain their prices at $y?
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I love the double waterloc sole. I am reminded of that everytime I wear my #8 Barrie wingtip boots. So comfortable...
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Originally Posted by mikeharo View Post

I was at an Alden retailer this weekend and was told: in the coming months, Alden will not allow any web sales of its shoes. Apparently Alden has told retailers that they must remove Alden shoes from online shops. I was told this is due to the lack of shell available for production at the moment. I did not ask any questions, just listened. I would have asked: all Alden or just cordovan, how can they do that, why does it matter how retailers are selling the shoes? I can see that public sentiment would be lowered if no shoes are ever available (always being 'sold out' online); therefore, removing them from online shopping would not make the public think the company has a lack of production capacity or ability. Anyway, I am not verifying his statement as accurate, simply reporting what he told me. Anyone hear anything similar lately?

Not calling you a liar by any means, but I'll believe this when I see it.

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Originally Posted by sqroot3 View Post

hmm...astute

what do you mean when you say carmina/meermin/vass have emerged in the us market? last i checked, they were only available online. i'm still nervous about buying them because i have no idea how my feet fit in their lasts!

 

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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post


I think you can try on Carmina at Epaulet in NYC, but that is about it

I haven't seen a US brick and mortar retailer stocking Vass (correct me if I am wrong)

I'm pretty close to 100% sure that Nettleton's in Pittsburgh (of all places) stocks both Vass and Carmina.  Perhaps Frank can confirm this, as I know he's been there.  Scott, the proprietor is a GREAT guy if anyone ever has the pleasure of dealing with him.  He called me up in Nov/Dec to alert me of 3 makeups he just received.  I know at least 2 of them were Carmina, I think one of them was shell, but don't remember if it was one of the Carminas or whatever the third one was.  He doesn't stock a whole lot of anything, so the selection would be limited, but if anyone ever has the misfortune of visiting that excuse for a city, Nettleton's definitely deserves a look.

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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

Not calling you a liar by any means, but I'll believe this when I see it.

I'm pretty close to 100% sure that Nettleton's in Pittsburgh (of all
places) stocks both Vass and Carmina.  Perhaps Frank can confirm
this, as I know he's been there.  Scott, the proprietor is a GREAT guy if
anyone ever has the pleasure of dealing with him.  He called me up in
Nov/Dec to alert me of 3 makeups he just received.  I know at least 2
of them were Carmina, I think one of them was shell, but don't
remember if it was one of the Carminas or whatever the third one was.
 He doesn't stock a whole lot of anything, so the selection would be
limited, but if anyone ever has the misfortune of visiting that excuse for
a city, Nettleton's definitely deserves a look.


Checked the site, Vass isn't listed however, there is the "and others" catch all in there. If frank doesn't post it first I will give them a call tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by sqroot3 View Post

michigan--is the front left the ls v-tip blucher?

They are the Alpine v-tip (both the black and the brown). I just got these from Leather Soul and really dig them. I've worn the brown a few times already and have been complemented on them each time I've had them on.
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

The emergence of Carmina in the US market leaves me no desire to buy any more Aldens.

*eta* also in a similar price range: Vass

I've tried Carmina from Epaulet and was unimpressed. I have yet to try Vass but will say that I have seen a few that I really like. I usually end up sticking with Alden though because, as others have said, it's relatively easy to get wider widths if needed and I usually do. I also tend to like the "blobbiness" (as some would call the Barrie last) and it fits well with my general aesthetic. Not everybody wants everything to be all sleek all the time.
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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post


Checked the site, Vass isn't listed however, there is the "and others" catch all in there. If frank doesn't post it first I will give them a call tomorrow.

I had their business card on my desk for a while at my job when I was living there.  Pretty sure it was listed on there, but could be wrong.  Let me know what you find out.

 

Edit:  If he says he doesn't, ask if he ever did.

 

Edit Edit:  Also, not sure if he does the mail-order thing, but maybe.

 

...Maybe he should start, not a lot of demand for expensive shoes in PGH.

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Originally Posted by Michigan Planner View Post


They are the Alpine v-tip (both the black and the brown). I just got these from Leather Soul and really dig them. I've worn the brown a few times already and have been complemented on them each time I've had them on.
I've tried Carmina from Epaulet and was unimpressed. I have yet to try Vass but will say that I have seen a few that I really like. I usually end up sticking with Alden though because, as others have said, it's relatively easy to get wider widths if needed and I usually do. I also tend to like the "blobbiness" (as some would call the Barrie last) and it fits well with my general aesthetic. Not everybody wants everything to be all sleek all the time.

those alpine v-tips are the closest i have come to appreciating alpine grain...i love the v-tip, too! on my short list, but i have some more shell models to buy first.

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Originally Posted by mikeharo View Post

I was at an Alden retailer this weekend and was told: in the coming months, Alden will not allow any web sales of its shoes. Apparently Alden has told retailers that they must remove Alden shoes from online shops. I was told this is due to the lack of shell available for production at the moment. I did not ask any questions, just listened. I would have asked: all Alden or just cordovan, how can they do that, why does it matter how retailers are selling the shoes? I can see that public sentiment would be lowered if no shoes are ever available (always being 'sold out' online); therefore, removing them from online shopping would not make the public think the company has a lack of production capacity or ability. Anyway, I am not verifying his statement as accurate, simply reporting what he told me. Anyone hear anything similar lately?

I think this may only apply to displaying the rare shell offerings online.   I noticed Leffot took down their blog posts about the Day Tripper boot and Whiskey Tanker.  I inquired about it, hoping that a new pre-order might be soon, and Che told me that they we told they were not allowed to post pictures of the rare (Ravello, Whiskey, Cigar) shell colors.

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Stmaier, I agree and think that is the case about it being shell specific. In hindsight I should have asked. Our conversation was based on shell offerings. To be fair, the retailer did say it is a two fold problem. The first problem is shell is in limited supply right now, as we have known for a while. The second is Alden's production capacity compared to demand, also something we all know. Anyway, my post was not to generate a storm, I wanted to pass along some shop talk.
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