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I've owned the 1494, suede chukka in tan for a few years now. I really love them. The standard 149X chukka is unlined, leydon last and has the flexwelt sole. It makes for a sleek, lightweight shoe that I find perfect for air travel. They are easy to don/doff for TSA and are super light and comfortable.

I was considering adding the snuff version when I came across the J. Crew makeup. It differed in that it was a Barrie last and had a crepe sole. I took a chance and ordered them. Obviously the barrie last is much less sleek but I wanted to try the crepe sole. I thought it would be more versatile for wet weather at my destination and more like a desert boot. The big surprise upon receipt is that are lined. That was a big disappointment. The unlined chukka makes it slipper-like in its comfort. The fact that it was lined wasn't a deal breaker but certainly disappointing.

I was on the fence and considered a return but after a week wearing them indoors I decided that I'd keep them. In the end, for a rubber soled suede chukka, there may be better options than this makeup. However, given that I was ordering online the fact that I know my sizes in Alden was a factor compared to unknown in a different make.

For reference, here a couple of pics to compared the two. Note the difference in length between the tan leydon (11D) and the snuff barrie (10.5). I was also surprised at the wear on that leather piece on the toe portion of the sole. I've read others here that were shocked at how quickly it wears (i.e., Roy boot). I'm not sure if it will have an impact, but it's worth mentioning.












thanks for the post, always helpful to see comparisons between two similar, but oh so different, models

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Where can I get replacement laces for my Indy's?

 

Do Barrie lasted boots fit smaller than Barrie LWB?

 

Where can I find a Cigar Cap Toe Boot with Commando Sole on Grant?

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Mac is Mac and experience and proven results trump everything.

 

That being said, I feel like the "do they fit? I'll walk on the carpet," portion of the Mac Curriculum is a bit self defeating...that is, if I understand it correctly.

 

It certainly works and in a World  where creased Alden's that are too big or too small, go into reset mode where they are brand new again suddenly, it's great. I can get creases and scratches out of almost anything, but the people who don't know their sizing are usually the same people who don't know how to care for/maintain/repair  shell.

 

Sometimes, just trying on a shell Alden will crease it and extensive carpet walking will certainly crease it. So, if you don't know your size and you do the whole carpet thing and find out that the shoes don't fit; you're either setting yourself up for an unacceptable return (for certain retailers who will not accept returned creased shell...AoC) or you're creating a pair of shells that are going to arrive at somebody else's door creased; which, now that they exceed $800 with tax and shipping, just isn't right.

 

This is not a shot at Mac. I wish that Mac lived in my shoe closet and took care of all of my shors/boots as I've never seen such impressive work done so consistently. I just feel like people paying $750-$850 (or more if you go through Europe or Asia) should receive a shoe/boot that hasn't been tried in. Creases, scratches and other marks left on Alden's don't show up on Alden's radar. With the shell shortage, they'll resell damaged or clearly second rate shoes that slipped by quality control and they'll do it because obviously, we're still buying them.

 

If we don't allow them to do this, it'll make it harder for it to happen. I really don't know of another shoe company from Nike ($80) to Cleverly ($7500)  that would be ok with selling damaged products at full price. All of the people at Alden NY/DC/SF are incredibly nice and seem very thoughtful. This must be coming down from somebody in Massachusetts.

 

i'd like to think that it's just a Whiskey/Ravello/#4/Cigar issue, but it's not. Retailers are beholden to Alden, their master and, if they bitch on behalf of a customer, they go to the back of a line that already is ridiculously long. I recently got a pair of boots from a retailer and they were clearly seconds being sold as brand new. It was not the retailers fault, Alden packaged and sent them as 1st quality. I called the retailer and the explanation was, "that's just Alden. No two pairs are alike. Each pair had some imperfection or something that makes them unique."

 

this is my last bitch sess, but this is the largest Alden community in the World and if nobody here has a problem with it, in a year there will no longer be a seconds or irregular designation.

 

I think what you said is fair enough.  Also, you should know that if you are comparing the results of your shoe care to Mac's, you are on losing ground from day one.  None of us really know how many pairs of Aldens he has, because he never discloses it, but he seems to have well over 30 pairs (at a conservative estimate).  Simple math (assuming a low estimate of 30 pairs for argument sake) shows that he can wear each pair less than once a month before making it through his rotation.  Add to that the fact that he apparently doesn't wear his shoes outside (which he said himself).  I would expect a pair of shoes that only gets worn a handful of times per year, indoors, to remain quite pristine looking.  I don't mean anything bad by this, and I don't think Mac would care that we are talking about it, since he himself said that he never wears his shoes outdoors.  But, it simply doesn't take much effort to keep a pair of shoes looking pristine under these wearing conditions.  If you have a much smaller rotation, and if you wear your shoes in the real world, they are never going to look the same as Mac's without exponentially more effort.  Even then, they will succumb eventually, while shoes worn only indoors may last forever. 

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He wears them outside.  He has taken plenty of outdoor photos of his Aldens on his feet.  Unless he carries them outside, sits down, puts them on, takes the picture, then takes them off to walk back inside.

 

When he said that in response to your questions about his minimal toe wear, I think he was kidding around.

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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

Where can I get replacement laces for my Indy's?

Do Barrie lasted boots fit smaller than Barrie LWB?

Where can I find a Cigar Cap Toe Boot with Commando Sole on Grant?

1) Any of the Alden branded retailers. Most of the smaller stores that stock Alden also have a few pairs as well (I've gotten some from Leffot before)

2) In my experience and the experience of a few others on this thread, yes

3) This appears to be an Alden DC exclusive. A lot of regular posters on this thread own the boot, it appears to get restocked pretty regularly
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1) Any of the Alden branded retailers. Most of the smaller stores that stock Alden also have a few pairs as well (I've gotten some from Leffot before)

2) In my experience and the experience of a few others on this thread, yes

3) This appears to be an Alden DC exclusive

I was just goofing around, since these 3 questions seem to be reoccurring so regularly.

 

I thought if you can't beat em, join em.

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Based on the photos from the Mac's treasures blog, it appears that he wears his shoes outside at least occasionally. Also, people that say drive to work and walk mainly on carpet will put less wear on shoes than those of us that pound the pavement walking to subways. Others just crease shoes instantly when they try them on due to the shape of their feet. Some people are going to put more wear on shoes than others, it is what it is. Just put trees in your shoes, brush, and condition and they will last a long time.
Edited by Alcibiades - 3/15/13 at 2:12pm
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I was just goofing around, since these 3 questions seem to be reoccurring so regularly.

I thought if you can't beat em, join em.

Yeah, I should have known... I think I have answered the "Alden DC" question at least 10 times myself
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I was just goofing around, since these 3 questions seem to be reoccurring so regularly.

I thought if you can't beat em, join em.
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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

He wears them outside.  He has taken plenty of outdoor photos of his Aldens on his feet.  Unless he carries them outside, sits down, puts them on, takes the picture, then takes them off to walk back inside.

When he said that in response to your questions about his minimal toe wear, I think he was kidding around.

He wears them outside. He was kidding around.
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He wears them outside. He was kidding around. nod[1].gif

 

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nephew,
always walk on carpeting and never walk on concrete.
 
 
I will also note that "Uncle" Mac frequently says that he tries to protect his shoes from inclement weather(overshoes are frequently cited as helping).  I know if I was diligent about limiting my leather soles' exposure to moisture, they'd last a lot longer.. but I don't spend the time to put the overshoes on typically, unless it's really bad.
 
At any rate, and to get the thread back on track, here's my modest Alden shell collection (and I do walk on concrete).
 
 

700

 

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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

He wears them outside.  He has taken plenty of outdoor photos of his Aldens on his feet.  Unless he carries them outside, sits down, puts them on, takes the picture, then takes them off to walk back inside.

 

When he said that in response to your questions about his minimal toe wear, I think he was kidding around.

 

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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

Based on the photos from the Mac's treasures blog, it appears that he wears his shoes outside at least occasionally. Also, people that say drive to work and walk mainly on carpet will put more wear on shoes than those of us that pound the pavement walking to subways. Others just crease shoes instantly when they try them on due to the shape of their feet. Some people are going to put more wear on shoes than others, it is what it is. Just put trees in your shoes, brush, and condition and they will last a long time.

 

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He wears them outside. He was kidding around. nod[1].gif

 

Perhaps, I should clarify.  I'm not saying he is pulling into an office building and stepping out of his car like something you would see in a British spy movie. bigstar[1].gif  I am sure he walks from his car to the building and back.  That said, I have recieved tips that he wasn't playing around as much as you all seem to indicate.  As for the outdoor pictures, walking out to take a staged photo doesn't qualify as "wearing your shoes outdoors" in the real world definition.  Also, I sought clarification from him directly as to whether he was kidding, and got no reply.  I did, however, get some condescending remarks from the Gestapo members of the thread who will remain nameless, but come out of the woodwork when anything about Mac's methods come up in conversation. 

 

I would also add that I've not really known Mac to be a jokester.  He is normally short and to the point.  The question that he replied to regarding not wearing his shoes on concrete was not a joking question, so a joking answer with no follow up doesn't seem appropriate, given that Mac seems to appreciate people tapping into his expertise on shoes. 


Edited by MoneyWellSpent - 3/15/13 at 1:50pm
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An old classic today, No.8 saddle shells

With Marcoliani OTC
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Perhaps, I should clarify.  I'm not saying he is pulling into an office building and stepping out of his car like something you would see in a British spy movie. bigstar%5B1%5D.gif  I am sure he walks from his car to the building and back.  That said, I have recieved tips that he wasn't playing around as much as you all seem to indicate.  As for the outdoor pictures, walking out to take a staged photo doesn't qualify as "wearing your shoes outdoors" in the real world definition.  Also, I sought clarification from him directly as to whether he was kidding, and got no reply.  I did, however, get some condescending remarks from the Gestapo members of the thread who will remain nameless, but come out of the woodwork when anything about Mac's methods come up in conversation. 

 

I would also add that I've not really known Mac to be a jokester.  He is normally short and to the point.  The question that he replied to regarding not wearing his shoes on concrete was not a joking question, so a joking answer with no follow up doesn't seem appropriate, given that Mac seems to appreciate people tapping into his expertise on shoes. 

 

As always, you are right, Sir.  Please forgive me for having questioned you.

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I've seen some Alden issues, but has anybody seen this on their new Aldens?



On just one shoe, there are two small nails driven into the sole, close to the heel. These are a brand new pair of Alden 405 Indy's, from an online Alden retailer. I already contacted Alden, weren't very helpful, got a standardized email to return them.

Has anybody else experienced an issue like this? And if anybody has knowledge of the its purpose, is the integrity of the shoe compromised?

Thanks guys. First time I've ever seen this, in any new shoe.
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