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Do folks who own both shells find that it happens that cigar can sometimes look like color 8? Do you think this will always be the case? Do the cigar or color 8 shells tend to darken or lighten over time?

This feeds into my last question: I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of Cigar shell LWBs. This will be a 4th LWB on top of the color 8s I mentioned, the JCrew "brown waxed" CXLs and the JCrew snuff suedes. Is Cigar LWB going to be worth the $710 or should I save the $ and wait out a whiskey or ravello LWB in the off chance it comes available in the next year? (Rounding out the wardrobe for now are the Ultimate Indy from LS in CXL brown and Kathy's grant color 8 cap toe boot). Please tell me if I'm being redundant with the cigar thing. (The financially cautious side of me is rationalizing holding off, saying there is a pair of chocolate calf AE longwings that can fake the dark brown look; the other side of me is saying, there might not be another chance at the Cigar LWB for a while). Please help me build a versatile wardrobe and not buy on impulse...

They fade differently but sometimes they look similar. If you like the shoe get both colors.

As for $710 well that depends how much you like LWBs and how much wear you are going to get out of them. At around $710 you could get C&J handgrade, Edward Green on sale etc that are arguably a much better shoe

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I like that J Crew waxed LWB but I don't think it looks anything close to Ravello.
I think burnished tan is a fair Ravello substitute.

Yeah the tobacco color is weird, not a fan at all
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I'm pretty sure that the ones on the left are a different color; the older model (Darlton) came in a lighter color than the new dark brown Marlows.  Both colors are pretty close to their original BNIB color.

Sun lightens the C&J finishing a ton, both were C&J cognac
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You guys are making my next Alden purchase difficult. I went with the natural CxL Indys for my first pair and now I'm looking for something for the summer. So many choices. Not sure what route to go yet.

Natty CXL Indys are just fine for summer. I wear shell boots in 105 weather just fine

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post #44162 of 91410
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The J Crew LWBs are not CXL, they don't know what they're talking about. Great shoes and great leather though. I have them and couldn't be happier with them. I'm one of the rare few who prefers calf to shell though, at least in most cases.

 

I'll second that.  I'm pretty happy with mine.  I have received more complements from ladies when wearing my calf LWBs than my shell chukkas. I know its an apples and oranges comparison, but IMO shell looks great in a plain toe. The rare shell fetish doesn't really intrigue me (yet), so the only shell LWBs that are of any interest to me are in black, and that's more for the luster aspect.   

 

 

 

I will say though that the shell chukkas are by far the most comfortable shoes I own. I had a third hole added.  

 

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Stevent quote: Yeah the tobacco color is weird, not a fan at all.

 

I agree; too orange. I wouldn't recommend to others.  But it was my first Alden purchase and I have a sentimental attachment to it.  Very happy those orange shoes introduced me to Alden!  I still find outfits I can pair well with the tobacco waxed LWB.

 

Stevent quote:  Sun lightens the C&J finishing a ton, both were C&J cognac

 

I don't believe the darker Marlows you referenced were cognac, but I could be wrong.

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To me cigar shell looks like aged #8. I'm talking about 20+ year-old color 8 shell. Check this out: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)




The pair on the left are color 8 Florsheims from the early 80s and the one on the right are Alden's cigar LWB. Keep in mind as the shoes age they will lighten and change hue so I think it is entirely appropriate to keep both colors if they fit your wardrobe. Especially since cigar LWB have a light edge trim, which makes it look like a very different shoe to my eye.



With that being said cigar LWB are carried on a regular basis by multiple vendors (Shoemart, Alden SF/DC/NYC) so they shouldn't be too tough to find in the future with a little patience. If whiskey LWB fit your wardrobe better, I'd wait for those since you already have some brown LWB. It also depends on your trouser wardrobe - if you wear suits every day then whiskey LWB are probably a much lower priority and you should instead consider something like the whiskey bals from Alden NYC.
Dr. D, You're not helping! wink.gif It was hard enough to get through the day without outright placing the order for the cigar lwbs (the impulse buy struck a couple times in the last week alone; I'm working on not being so trigger happy, especially as the LHSs have yet to see light of day yet...). If the shells will lighten, then both the cigar and the #8 will lighten and will therefore remain different enough from one another. The wardrobe question is what presents the slippery slope for this whole Alden thing. I'm in private practice working for myself. Some days, it's suits, some days it feels like a jeans w/ blazer sort of day. Anything can be justified given that many of my colleagues are wearing the good 'ol Kenneth Coles and Aldos (not that there's anything wrong with that, as Seinfeld says laugh.gif


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Regarding the lightening of cigar (and #8, for that matter), do folks ever find themselves concerned that the shell lightened too much? Is this easy enough to rectify or prevent if I'm a mac method adherent? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I've thought about the balmoral question. Are you talking about the bals that are on the Tremont last? I haven't spent much time researching that last yet. Anyone feel like commenting on Tremont? I know bals can be considered a bit more formal, but for some reason, I like the look of the lwb better (maybe also because it seems I can dress LWBs up or down depending on my mood). Where are folks on the bal vs blucher thing? (I know our closets can always make room for both, but let's go with the desert island way of looking at the question...)


Shell fade is good.

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I'm pretty sure that the ones on the left are a different color; the older model (Darlton) came in a lighter color than the new dark brown Marlows.  Both colors are pretty close to their original BNIB color.

Umm, no.
Those have faded a lot. They were a lot darker when new. The flash did make them look lighter than they are in normal light but the same is true for the new pair
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Anyone have opinions on what color I should get on Alden Indy Boots? I'm in love with Color 8 but I don't like how it looks on the boot. I'm also having trouble trying to spend that extra however many hundred dollars for shell...

I know the classics are the 403 and 405. Does anyone have an opinion on which one I should get?
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Anyone have opinions on what color I should get on Alden Indy Boots? I'm in love with Color 8 but I don't like how it looks on the boot. I'm also having trouble trying to spend that extra however many hundred dollars for shell...

I know the classics are the 403 and 405. Does anyone have an opinion on which one I should get?

Black shell from TSM. nod[1].gif.
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Stevent quote: Yeah the tobacco color is weird, not a fan at all.

I agree; too orange. I wouldn't recommend to others.  But it was my first Alden purchase and I have a sentimental attachment to it.  Very happy those orange shoes introduced me to Alden!  I still find outfits I can pair well with the tobacco waxed LWB.

Stevent quote:  Sun lightens the C&J finishing a ton, both were C&J cognac











I don't believe the darker Marlows you referenced were cognac, but I could be wrong.

The C&J dark brown shell shortwing blucher is sublime.
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Not sure there is a pseudo-substitute for Ravello, but owners of the J Crew waxed CXL can chime in on this.  As for the black shell LWB question, I wear mine quite a bit but I usually dress it up more often than not.  I don't wear jeans much, but when I do I usually go with the Cigar bc the antique edge seems to make it more casual.  I'm sure though that others wear denim with black shell.

I wear denim with black shell all the time - including LWB, PTB, Chukka, Indy. I also do the same with cigar as RTP notes he does.
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Anyone have opinions on what color I should get on Alden Indy Boots? I'm in love with Color 8 but I don't like how it looks on the boot. I'm also having trouble trying to spend that extra however many hundred dollars for shell...

I know the classics are the 403 and 405. Does anyone have an opinion on which one I should get?

I would favor Chromexcel leather to plain calf, but that's just me.
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Originally Posted by closerlook View Post

its going to stretch a great deal.
what is the style number - they may well be the brown model.

1493. Glad to hear they'll stretch. I'm sure shoe trees will help a bit too.
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Can I get some help with the tremont last? I'm an 8.5c brannock, 8d Barrie is fine on me, the 8.5d leydons I picked up are a bit tight but seem like they'll be fine with wear (thanks).

Looking at the chart that was posted a while back, it seems like I'd be an 8d in tremont, but Kathy in DC suggested 8.5d. What's everyone's experience with tremont?
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Can I get some help with the tremont last? I'm an 8.5c brannock, 8d Barrie is fine on me, the 8.5d leydons I picked up are a bit tight but seem like they'll be fine with wear (thanks).

Looking at the chart that was posted a while back, it seems like I'd be an 8d in tremont, but Kathy in DC suggested 8.5d. What's everyone's experience with tremont?

Since you have a local Alden store, I would highly recommend going in and trying on a couple of tremonts to find out what size works best. I know Kathy has more sizing experience then all of us put together, but no advice can ever compare to having them on your own feet.
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+1 on trying different styles on different lasts.
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Since you have a local Alden store, I would highly recommend going in and trying on a couple of tremonts to find out what size works best. I know Kathy has more sizing experience then all of us put together, but no advice can ever compare to having them on your own feet.

This is exactly what I did before purchasing the whiskey wingtips from Alden DC. Head to Alden Madison and try on a few color 8 or black balmoral wingtips. Make sure to try different widths as well.
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Any experience with stretching out calf Aldens ?


I've got Unionmade officer shoe (PTB) in Leydon 6D and they are feeling small and painful after day-long wear (even after 30 or so days)

However, I also have the unlined suede chukka Leydon 6D and it feels good - maybe unlined suede is much more forgiving or it is lining that makes big difference?

Do you know if it would be possible to stretch them somehow ? Or better find the right pair of legs on b&s ?
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