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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post

Yeah I think exchanges were fine, but I couldn't do a return for my money back. I lucked out that they actually had a size 12.5C in stock, so the return was relatively seamless. I'm stuck dealing with them on a separate issue now and they are the worst. Once I get the pair I'm waiting for I won't be doing business with them again, no matter what the discount is.

This is the stance I've decided to take.

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post #44147 of 86695
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Originally Posted by stmaier View Post

I second the Wingtip Boot or perhaps the Leather Soul Jumper in Cigar.

It doesn't make sense to recommend a white elephant. One can hope (if they are a LS preferred customer). I've bought about 6 pair from Tom, and designed a runner-up in a boot contest. I'm not a preferred customer. confused.gif
post #44148 of 86695
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Originally Posted by docalden2013 View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
A bit late, but I thought it would still be useful to share the denouement from my adventure ordering LHSs in the van last from Alden DC, as I know folks have been thinking about fit questions. Some may recall that I posted last week about making an original order of whiskey shell LHSs from Kathy. (I'm an 8.5D in the Barrie & Trubalance and wear a 9D in the Grant-lasted cap toe shell 8 boot). I posted the following pics of the mismatched whiskey pair in which the left foot was considerably longer than the right.








So, I called Kathy up feeling validated by thread members' helpful and supportive comments (many thanks, btw!). She very graciously sent out a 9D cigar shell LHS, as well as a 9C that no one ended up picking up. I tried both on over the course of several days and even taped a tongue pad to the inside of each loafer. I ended up going with the 9C, which I thought was interesting in light of some earlier feedback that one should go with the Barrie size or the Barrie size minus a width. The 9C felt like it was snug, but not too snug in the toe box (maybe I have freakishly long toes, idk), and only the slightest heel slippage, which Kathy said would likely go away as the shank settled (this seems realistic and does not lend itself to the feeling that I could kick off the shoe by accident while walking).

The fit-related points of interest are as follows: I found it striking that the 9D in whiskey (the normal sized shoe, not the mistakenly enlarged left shoe, mind you) appeared to be of a different length than the 9D cigar. As you can see, the heel appears to extend outward just a smidge more on the cigar as compared with the whiskey.





Here's a couple of pics of the final reveal. Sorry again for the crummy iphone 5 pics.







The last couple of thoughts are what I'm hoping folks can offer some feedback on, with the general topic being the color of cigar shell vs. color 8. Here is a pic of the cigar LHSs near a pair of color 8 lwb's I recently picked up from CitiShoes (nice guys, btw). At first, I thought Kathy sent me color 8 LHSs, but she confirmed that that was not at all the case.





Do folks who own both shells find that it happens that cigar can sometimes look like color 8? Do you think this will always be the case? Do the cigar or color 8 shells tend to darken or lighten over time?

This feeds into my last question: I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of Cigar shell LWBs. This will be a 4th LWB on top of the color 8s I mentioned, the JCrew "brown waxed" CXLs and the JCrew snuff suedes. Is Cigar LWB going to be worth the $710 or should I save the $ and wait out a whiskey or ravello LWB in the off chance it comes available in the next year? (Rounding out the wardrobe for now are the Ultimate Indy from LS in CXL brown and Kathy's grant color 8 cap toe boot). Please tell me if I'm being redundant with the cigar thing. (The financially cautious side of me is rationalizing holding off, saying there is a pair of chocolate calf AE longwings that can fake the dark brown look; the other side of me is saying, there might not be another chance at the Cigar LWB for a while). Please help me build a versatile wardrobe and not buy on impulse...

1) I have cigar in lighter versions (kind of milk chocolatey) and darker versions (a very dark brown, closer to color 8 but without the eggplant tones). The darkest versions of cigar can look like color 8 initially. I think over time, some of the more interesting hues (olive, for example) tend to come out of cigar

2) About your second question, cigar is my favorite cordovan color by far, so I have several. I think it is also the most versatile for my wardrobe. Buy what you like and you will get a lot of wear out of
post #44149 of 86695
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

earlier this evening, I was studying in a SBUX when a chick next to me complimented me on the boots. In response, I told her "thank you". 5 mins later, as she is leaving, she gives me her cell number written on a cardboard cup sleeve. "i like your boots"

the power of shell

I know it's from almost a year ago, but I couldn't pass up reviving this gold when I stumbled upon it for the first time just now.

The power of shell, indeed.
post #44150 of 86695
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

i wish they offered this makeup in an e width. plaza is an odd shape

I agree, I had to go up half a size because I'm a 9E.
post #44151 of 86695
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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post

Yeah I think exchanges were fine, but I couldn't do a return for my money back. I lucked out that they actually had a size 12.5C in stock, so the return was relatively seamless. I'm stuck dealing with them on a separate issue now and they are the worst. Once I get the pair I'm waiting for I won't be doing business with them again, no matter what the discount is.

NRO would have to offer 100% discounts for me to ever order from them again.
post #44152 of 86695
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

I would normally say the Alden DC captoe, but since you have a ravello captoe, maybe an Indy

Also, reconsider the PTB, chukkas and Longwings - all three are excellent in cigar

Thanks. I actually only own the #8 Tankers and was just brainstorming last night about the rest. And, while I love PTBs, chukkas, and LWBs, I am very familiar with those, and was curious to see other ideas beyond those.

Is the Alden DC cap toe that's been mentioned a few times this shoe?:


This is precisely the shoe I meant earlier.  After looking at this pic, I'm convinced that this is the way I would go.

post #44153 of 86695
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Originally Posted by BIG WONG View Post

I agree, I had to go up half a size because I'm a 9E.

does that mean you went up to a 9.5E? or you got a 9.5D since it wasn't offered in 9E?

are you a 8.5E for barrie?

just to get an idea on sizing for the plaza.
post #44154 of 86695
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Originally Posted by docalden2013 View Post

A bit late, but I thought it would still be useful to share the denouement from my adventure ordering LHSs in the van last from Alden DC, as I know folks have been thinking about fit questions. Some may recall that I posted last week about making an original order of whiskey shell LHSs from Kathy. (I'm an 8.5D in the Barrie & Trubalance and wear a 9D in the Grant-lasted cap toe shell 8 boot). I posted the following pics of the mismatched whiskey pair in which the left foot was considerably longer than the right.








So, I called Kathy up feeling validated by thread members' helpful and supportive comments (many thanks, btw!). She very graciously sent out a 9D cigar shell LHS, as well as a 9C that no one ended up picking up. I tried both on over the course of several days and even taped a tongue pad to the inside of each loafer. I ended up going with the 9C, which I thought was interesting in light of some earlier feedback that one should go with the Barrie size or the Barrie size minus a width. The 9C felt like it was snug, but not too snug in the toe box (maybe I have freakishly long toes, idk), and only the slightest heel slippage, which Kathy said would likely go away as the shank settled (this seems realistic and does not lend itself to the feeling that I could kick off the shoe by accident while walking).

The fit-related points of interest are as follows: I found it striking that the 9D in whiskey (the normal sized shoe, not the mistakenly enlarged left shoe, mind you) appeared to be of a different length than the 9D cigar. As you can see, the heel appears to extend outward just a smidge more on the cigar as compared with the whiskey.





Here's a couple of pics of the final reveal. Sorry again for the crummy iphone 5 pics.








The last couple of thoughts are what I'm hoping folks can offer some feedback on, with the general topic being the color of cigar shell vs. color 8. Here is a pic of the cigar LHSs near a pair of color 8 lwb's I recently picked up from CitiShoes (nice guys, btw). At first, I thought Kathy sent me color 8 LHSs, but she confirmed that that was not at all the case.





Do folks who own both shells find that it happens that cigar can sometimes look like color 8? Do you think this will always be the case? Do the cigar or color 8 shells tend to darken or lighten over time?

This feeds into my last question: I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of Cigar shell LWBs. This will be a 4th LWB on top of the color 8s I mentioned, the JCrew "brown waxed" CXLs and the JCrew snuff suedes. Is Cigar LWB going to be worth the $710 or should I save the $ and wait out a whiskey or ravello LWB in the off chance it comes available in the next year? (Rounding out the wardrobe for now are the Ultimate Indy from LS in CXL brown and Kathy's grant color 8 cap toe boot). Please tell me if I'm being redundant with the cigar thing. (The financially cautious side of me is rationalizing holding off, saying there is a pair of chocolate calf AE longwings that can fake the dark brown look; the other side of me is saying, there might not be another chance at the Cigar LWB for a while). Please help me build a versatile wardrobe and not buy on impulse...
Doc, I think it's fortunate that you were able to resolve the LHS fit problem. Kathy at Alden DC does a fantastic job. The fact that you had to go with the cigar LHS is one if the vagaries of chasing limited sizes of hard to get colors in shoes you can't buy everywhere. I really like the cigar LHS. I think they'll serve you well as I believe their a bit more versatile than the whiskey. There are so many other cool make-ups of Alden shoes that one can get in whiskey that I'm positive the opportunity will present itself sooner than you think. Use the Mac break-in method and enjoy your new shoes.
post #44155 of 86695
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Originally Posted by docalden2013 View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

A bit late, but I thought it would still be useful to share the denouement from my adventure ordering LHSs in the van last from Alden DC, as I know folks have been thinking about fit questions. Some may recall that I posted last week about making an original order of whiskey shell LHSs from Kathy. (I'm an 8.5D in the Barrie & Trubalance and wear a 9D in the Grant-lasted cap toe shell 8 boot). I posted the following pics of the mismatched whiskey pair in which the left foot was considerably longer than the right.

 

 

 

 

So, I called Kathy up feeling validated by thread members' helpful and supportive comments (many thanks, btw!). She very graciously sent out a 9D cigar shell LHS, as well as a 9C that no one ended up picking up. I tried both on over the course of several days and even taped a tongue pad to the inside of each loafer. I ended up going with the 9C, which I thought was interesting in light of some earlier feedback that one should go with the Barrie size or the Barrie size minus a width. The 9C felt like it was snug, but not too snug in the toe box (maybe I have freakishly long toes, idk), and only the slightest heel slippage, which Kathy said would likely go away as the shank settled (this seems realistic and does not lend itself to the feeling that I could kick off the shoe by accident while walking).

 

The fit-related points of interest are as follows: I found it striking that the 9D in whiskey (the normal sized shoe, not the mistakenly enlarged left shoe, mind you) appeared to be of a different length than the 9D cigar. As you can see, the heel appears to extend outward just a smidge more on the cigar as compared with the whiskey.

 

 

 

Here's a couple of pics of the final reveal. Sorry again for the crummy iphone 5 pics.

 

 

 

 

The last couple of thoughts are what I'm hoping folks can offer some feedback on, with the general topic being the color of cigar shell vs. color 8. Here is a pic of the cigar LHSs near a pair of color 8 lwb's I recently picked up from CitiShoes (nice guys, btw). At first, I thought Kathy sent me color 8 LHSs, but she confirmed that that was not at all the case.

 

 

 

 

Do folks who own both shells find that it happens that cigar can sometimes look like color 8? Do you think this will always be the case? Do the cigar or color 8 shells tend to darken or lighten over time?

 

This feeds into my last question: I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of Cigar shell LWBs. This will be a 4th LWB on top of the color 8s I mentioned, the JCrew "brown waxed" CXLs and the JCrew snuff suedes. Is Cigar LWB going to be worth the $710 or should I save the $ and wait out a whiskey or ravello LWB in the off chance it comes available in the next year? (Rounding out the wardrobe for now are the Ultimate Indy from LS in CXL brown and Kathy's grant color 8 cap toe boot). Please tell me if I'm being redundant with the cigar thing. (The financially cautious side of me is rationalizing holding off, saying there is a pair of chocolate calf AE longwings that can fake the dark brown look; the other side of me is saying, there might not be another chance at the Cigar LWB for a while). Please help me build a versatile wardrobe and not buy on impulse...

I think it's worth it but that's me.  Others may disagree, but I'm fine with that.nod[1].gif

From top to bottom: J Crew Waxed Tobacco, J Crew dark brown calf, Ravello, and Cigar.  I have black shell and color 8 in the LWB as well to complete the redundancy.

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I like this photo. ^^
post #44157 of 86695
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Originally Posted by ReppTiePrepster View Post

I think it's worth it but that's me.  Others may disagree, but I'm fine with that.nod%5B1%5D.gif


From top to bottom: J Crew Waxed Tobacco, J Crew dark brown calf, Ravello, and Cigar.  I have black shell and color 8 in the LWB as well to complete the redundancy.

nephew,
good looking gunboat family
post #44158 of 86695
Does anyone know the actual measurement between sizes for Alden? I have an 11.5d trubalance that is too big and am trying to decide whether to go with an 11d or 10.5d Barrie. I'm pretty set on the JC cord cap toe, how are they with returns/exchanges if I order the wrong size?
post #44159 of 86695
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Originally Posted by jereth View Post

Does anyone know the actual measurement between sizes for Alden? I have an 11.5d trubalance that is too big and am trying to decide whether to go with an 11d or 10.5d Barrie. I'm pretty set on the JC cord cap toe, how are they with returns/exchanges if I order the wrong size?


J Crew's return policy is very easy. You won't have a problem returning but you may not be able to find the replacement size.  FYI, while I wear the same barrie size in LWB and the JCrew color 8 perf cap toe boot, many say the barrie boot runs a little narrow in comparison to the LWB.  Not sure if that helps you.

 

The JCrew ct boot was my first Alden boot and I love it.  Good luck!

post #44160 of 86695

Thank you very much Uncle and El Argentino.

 

BTW, Argentino your last couple of pics of your JCrew Ravello LWB and your nat chrxl LWB are absolutely phenomenal!  What kind of camera do you use? My i-phone pics aren't that flattering even after a thorough Mac-method session.  Congrats on two excellent additions!

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