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Horsemeat in Tesco burgers prompts apology in UK papers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21054688

This is horrible.  Can someone tell me if Horween is killing horses to get Cordovan leather?  Is it illegal to consume horsemeat in the US?    

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Good to read this. Disaster averted.

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My Cigar/Ravello hybrid.

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Horsemeat in Tesco burgers prompts apology in UK papers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21054688

This is horrible.  Can someone tell me if Horween is killing horses to get Cordovan leather?  Is it illegal to consume horsemeat in the US?    

It is illegal to slaughter horses for meat in the US, but not illegal to consume horsemeat. It is legal to eat horse in a lot of Europe. A lot of Horween shell, as I understand it, is a byproduct of that.

FWIW I'd argue that the thoroughbred horseracing industry (popular here in the US) is a lot more inhumane to horses, but this thread is probably not the place for all that

Horse meat some come with a sort of stigma in the US, but in Europe, especially France it's eaten quite often. If I'm not mistaken, Horween's horse hides come directly from France, and are only taken from work horses that are used for the meat market. They don't use horses that are bred in cages like chickens, otherwise I could imagine that the cordovan would have a much worse quality if the horses weren't healthy.

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Pebblegrain has a wonderful avatar. I've had nightmares about that ESPN clown, Merril Hoge, and his tie length. That he can shed his suit coat and expose said tie length with a straight face is a true testament to how curiously absurd this guy dresses. And don't even get me started on his fist-sized tie knots.

Man you have me laughing.  I'm glad I'm not the only person who tends to judge people based on not hewing to what I consider my rules of dress.  

It helps that he is a clown in so many ways.  

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Originally Posted by Alcibiades 


It is illegal to slaughter horses for meat in the US, but not illegal to consume horsemeat. It is legal to eat horse in a lot of Europe. A lot of Horween shell, as I understand it, is a byproduct of that.

FWIW I'd argue that the thoroughbred horseracing industry (popular here in the US) is a lot more inhumane to horses, but this thread is probably not the place for all that

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Originally Posted by Joshua Lee 

Horse meat some come with a sort of stigma in the US, but in Europe, especially France it's eaten quite often. If I'm not mistaken, Horween's horse hides come directly from France, and are only taken from work horses that are used for the meat market. They don't use horses that are bred in cages like chickens, otherwise I could imagine that the cordovan would have a much worse quality if the horses weren't healthy.

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I'm pretty sure alot of the horse butts come from up here in Canada and not so much France. It's leagal to sell horse meat up here (as far as I know).

I've also heard that the horses are not slimply used just for the shell; that they are old work horses that die of old age/sickness... afaik

This is all correct.  Not trying to invite a lashing here from any activists, but lets be honest here... I love horses as much as the next guy, but in the end there isn't any reason they can't be eaten just like cows, chickens, or any of the other dozens of animals people use as food.  Meat is meat as long as you like the unique taste of the particular animal.  Horses have other uses as well (hooves are used to make glue for example), and the rest of the hide (non-shell parts) is used for other types of leather products.  As long as they are treated humanely, use them for work, recreation, food, etc., and then when they die, use them to make useful products. 

debating if I should go 404 or 405 for my first Indy boot, any opinions?

thanks