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post #40666 of 94706
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

I'll settle for a black shell balmoral captoe.  Had a pair on order.  Just got notified that the order came in sans my special order size.  Turns out that the shoes were damaged during fabrication and couldn't be delivered (after a six month wait).  They were going to be my first pair of shell.  Seems like a bad omen to me.

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Originally Posted by MickCollins1916 View Post

Sucks, man. Sorry to hear this.
If it's any consolation, a similar thing also happened to me recently. I preordered the #4 and black saddle shoe from J. Gilbert last year. After a lengthy wait, and being charged for the shoes (followed by a second lengthy wait, and a series of emails over the course of months containing weird excuses), J. Gilbert finally had to tell me mine was the only pair in the order Alden didn't deliver because they were damaged...

That does *seem* odd that the same issue would occur in a special size order. Who knows...sh1t happens in manufacturing.
post #40667 of 94706
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Originally Posted by Don L View Post

J Gilbert #8 NST's today
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Thanks for posting. I think macjedi is the only other person to post pics of these. They look great.
post #40668 of 94706
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Originally Posted by Organika View Post

Would like to hear opinions before a purchase. Out of these three shoes, LHS, Full strap, Tassel, which do you prefer for casual/work, yet everyday use. If the tassel is the most formal of the three, ordinarily it would still be worn with denim/casual clothing? 

 

 

 

 

 

I would agree that the Tassels are the most formal, the LHS the least formal, and the full-strap somewhere in between. FWIW, the Tassels are more narrow/pointy than the LHS.  If i'm not mistaken, the Full-strap is the same last as the Tassels, so shares that same description.  Personally, I would go with the LHS, but it all depends on your personal style.
 
 
Chipshot:  I too have been wanting a Ravello LHS, and will one day order a C width through TSM.  The only reason I haven't done so already is because I'm worried I'll just have money tied up in them for 18+months due to ravello availability, and I could use that money to acquire readily available models in the meantime.
post #40669 of 94706
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Originally Posted by Organika View Post

Would like to hear opinions before a purchase. Out of these three shoes, LHS, Full strap, Tassel, which do you prefer for casual/work, yet everyday use. If the tassel is the most formal of the three, ordinarily it would still be worn with denim/casual clothing? 
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I'm partial to the LHS.

While they're all loafers and hence very similar in formality, due to the lasts (tassel and full strap penny on Aberdeen, LHS on Van) and styles, IMO the tassel is more formal than the full strap penny, which is more formal than the LHS. Tassels are thus more easily dressed up, so consider that if you're the type who might want to wear loafers with a suit. The LHS is more easily dressed down, so consider that if you might wear dress loafers sockless with shorts in the summer -- there's a bunch of pictures in this thread of Uncle doing this with LHS's. In between these extremes (denim up through odd trousers and a sport coat), I think it comes down to which style you covet more.
post #40670 of 94706
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Originally Posted by Organika View Post

Would like to hear opinions before a purchase. Out of these three shoes, LHS, Full strap, Tassel, which do you prefer for casual/work, yet everyday use. If the tassel is the most formal of the three, ordinarily it would still be worn with denim/casual clothing? 








Formal to casual
Tassel
Full Strap
Leisure Handsewn

I would also add a fourth loafer, the grant lasted penny, and would place it equal to the full strap in formality. For "every day use," I actually think the grant lasted loafers may be the best choice because they can be dressed all the day up to all the day down.

A lot of people here say loafers are casual, but for the most part, I see people wear tassel loafers with dress chinos, wool trousers, and all the way up suits. It has become a bit trendier to wear tassel loafers with slim denim the past few years, but that's now how they were worn in the past. I wear my tassels (I have a pair from Alden and a pair from RL) in all these settings. Because of the last and the construction of the full strap and grant loafers, I could see those shoes being worn in all those settings as well. MickCollins posted a photo of the grant loafers; they look relatively sleek and could be puiled off with a suit, IMO (I plan on wearing mine with suits on occasion).

The last and shape of the LHS make it a more casual shoe, so it may be harder to pull off with a suit, but you could wear it with anything else. That said, LHS are shaped similar to Gucci bit loafers, and I see guys wearing those without hesitation with suits, so YMMV.
post #40671 of 94706
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Originally Posted by Don L View Post

J Gilbert #8 NST's today



A splendid boot, and certainly one of my personall favorites.
post #40672 of 94706
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

They're not doing a good job.  I'm ready to defect to Carmina and Viberg.

Right. I'm not sure I would try to order anything stock from Alden. Either it is ready for me to buy now or there's likely some other source that's going to be more responsive to an order. Now, something special such as a Kudu Indy boot on the Modified last, that's different... nod[1].gif
post #40673 of 94706
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Originally Posted by patrick_b View Post

That does *seem* odd that the same issue would occur in a special size order. Who knows...sh1t happens in manufacturing.

Seems even odder that it would happen with something pretty standard such as a black shell balmoral. I suppose Alden doesn't know the retailer has reserved it for someone who will be disappointed, but how hard can it be to make another black shell shoe? It continues to amaze me that Alden can be quite THIS busy.
post #40674 of 94706
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Originally Posted by Organika View Post

Would like to hear opinions before a purchase. Out of these three shoes, LHS, Full strap, Tassel, which do you prefer for casual/work, yet everyday use. If the tassel is the most formal of the three, ordinarily it would still be worn with denim/casual clothing? 








My 2 cents:

I have these 3 models, all in color 8 (tassels and LHS (unlined) from BB). I agree that the order of formality is tassels, then full strap, then LHS - but the level of formality of tassels and full strap is close.

I wear none with suits. I wear tassels and full strap with business casual. I wear the LHS strictly casual, even without socks (in summer), and sometimes with shorts.

If I could only keep one, it would be the LHS.

All of them are nice options. biggrin.gif
post #40675 of 94706
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

Formal to casual
Tassel
Full Strap
Leisure Handsewn
I would also add a fourth loafer, the grant lasted penny, and would place it equal to the full strap in formality. For "every day use," I actually think the grant lasted loafers may be the best choice because they can be dressed all the day up to all the day down.
A lot of people here say loafers are casual, but for the most part, I see people wear tassel loafers with dress chinos, wool trousers, and all the way up suits. It has become a bit trendier to wear tassel loafers with slim denim the past few years, but that's now how they were worn in the past. I wear my tassels (I have a pair from Alden and a pair from RL) in all these settings. Because of the last and the construction of the full strap and grant loafers, I could see those shoes being worn in all those settings as well. MickCollins posted a photo of the grant loafers; they look relatively sleek and could be puiled off with a suit, IMO (I plan on wearing mine with suits on occasion).
The last and shape of the LHS make it a more casual shoe, so it may be harder to pull off with a suit, but you could wear it with anything else. That said, LHS are shaped similar to Gucci bit loafers, and I see guys wearing those without hesitation with suits, so YMMV.

I'm with you on this. It's a great choice, and I am actually rocking my Grant last loafers right now with a grey worsted sack suit and a button-down shirt. They work for me for these purposes.
post #40676 of 94706
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post


I've looked at the Carmina thread a bunch of times, but I haven't placed an order as E widths don't appear to be offered in most lasts and the MTO orders being taken overlap a lot with my Alden collection. I guess I'm lucky in that I can walk into Alden NYC or call up Alden DC/SF and get 9.5E or 10E in most models somehwat easily, and I can preorder those sizes in Leffot runs. I'm going to suggest a balmoral captoe shoe in shell cordovan on that thread now, but I haven't seen much demand for it.

 

Actually for Carmina, you don't have to do a group buy.  You can MTO a single pair, it's just more expensive.  Likewise, that's one reason for my interest in Viberg.  I can design a shoe and order it.  Just one pair.  Don't get me wrong, I'm still an Alden fan.  I have several pairs of them, but it's tough when you don't fit into "D" width shoes.  Even Alden NY and Alden DC have trouble finding in stock shoes to fit me.

 

 

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Originally Posted by FrankCowperwood View Post


Right. I'm not sure I would try to order anything stock from Alden. Either it is ready for me to buy now or there's likely some other source that's going to be more responsive to an order. Now, something special such as a Kudu Indy boot on the Modified last, that's different... nod[1].gif

 

Yes, the Kudu Indy and the Anatomica Ravello PT boot are the last two items on my Alden hit list.  Maybe a #8 PTB if it comes up on TheShoeMart seconds list.

 

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Originally Posted by FrankCowperwood View Post


Seems even odder that it would happen with something pretty standard such as a black shell balmoral. I suppose Alden doesn't know the retailer has reserved it for someone who will be disappointed, but how hard can it be to make another black shell shoe? It continues to amaze me that Alden can be quite THIS busy.

 

I was surprised by that too.  I figured they would have enough black shell on hand to make another.  I imagine they batch out the leather.  You know, set it up so they cut the same patterns all at once.  If they moved on to something else, it might be disruptive to change the set up to cut leather for just one shoe.  Then again maybe not.

 

Here's the real zinger, I'm wondering if I'll see those cap toes pop up on TheShoeMart seconds list.  That would be something.

post #40677 of 94706
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

Actually for Carmina, you don't have to do a group buy.  You can MTO a single pair, it's just more expensive.  Likewise, that's one reason for my interest in Viberg.  I can design a shoe and order it.  Just one pair.  Don't get me wrong, I'm still an Alden fan.  I have several pairs of them, but it's tough when you don't fit into "D" width shoes.  Even Alden NY and Alden DC have trouble finding in stock shoes to fit me.

Do you do single pair MTOs through a retailer or these manufacturers directly?
post #40678 of 94706
^Also in Alden's favor is that a one-off Carmina MTO is rather expensive. I think something like their list price +50%. You'd really have to want the shoe and it wouldn't make much sense for a staple item. You could order directly I think or through certain retailers.

And I suppose if they do have batches of shoes running through the production process it may be more of a matter of the trouble of going back to a previous makeup than the supply of materials.

Maybe they will show up as seconds. Then you'll get a discount!
post #40679 of 94706
Can anyone give me some info on BB peal and co cordovan boots thanks
post #40680 of 94706
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Originally Posted by jvc44 View Post

Can anyone give me some info on BB peal and co cordovan boots thanks

the $9xx one has dainite sole? Made by crockett & jones

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