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post #37996 of 87516
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Originally Posted by sevenfoldtieguy View Post


The Alden for BB shell cordovan PTB comes in black and color 8 (burgundy). There is no brown. The BB pics are horrible.
The Alden for BB models - in my experience - actually have more egglant hues than do the factory versions. My Alden for BB color 8 PTB has wonderful egglant tones, and is considerably darker than, say, my color 8 chukkas.
Look at this link to get a flavor of what you will actually be getting in color 8 (burgundy).
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Cordovan-Perforated-Captoes/230H,default,pd.html?dwvar_230H_Color=BLCK&contentpos=4&cgid=0522

Thanks for the correction, very good to know.  Yes, the BB pics are horrible.  

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post #37997 of 87516
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Originally Posted by mexicutioner View Post


that doesn't sound like a simple question to me. simple questions:
what last is it on?
what kind of sole does it have?
what color shell is it? (#8, #4, ravello, etc)
not-simple questions:
what hue of cigar is it?
how will i feel when i put them on?
seriously, what do you expect his answer to your "hue" question to be? seriously, give me three to five possible answers to your "hue of a cigar longwing" question.
if you're asking that kind of question, i'm not surprised he gave you the cold shoulder. buy locally if you need your longwings to be a particular hue of cigar.

 

It is a perfectly simple question. A question regarding hue is objective. The fit/feel question that I assume you intended as a similar example is subjective, making it far more difficult if not impossible. I asked if the cigar has more of an olive hue (as was evident in early butts) or more of a red hue (which is more common in later butts). Those are the only two options necessary to answer the question. As "three to five" answers were not even possible, yes, I would consider this an easy question to ask a proprietor of a luxury good. Given the Adam makes a living from selling only Aldens and has handled hundreds of cigar shoes, I would expect him to be able to answer a question that has only two possible answers. More olive, or more red. That's it. He could've written me the following email with which I would have been satisfied:

 

Dear Potential Customer,

 

Olive.

 

Cold and Somewhat Indifferent Regards,

Adam of AoC

 

If you're happy with his service, keep buying from him. I'm not telling you what kind of service to deem acceptable when buying your $700 shoes; don't tell me. 

 

Today I'm wearing the cigar longwings I bought from Frans Boone. 

 

 

 

700

 

 

700

post #37998 of 87516
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Originally Posted by ThArtOfWardrobe View Post

 

Dear Potential Customer,

 

Olive.

 

Cold and Somewhat Indifferent Regards,

Adam of AoC

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post #37999 of 87516
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Originally Posted by interlockingny View Post


Your frustration is justified. The better way to have gone about it would have been for them to contact customers that paid in full and had their orders refunded to see if they were still interested in the pair.

Exactly.

I would assume Tom (LS), Adam (AoC), Steven (Leffot) or Mike (Epaulet) would have done so if that ever happens.
TSM is just a little too big an operation to provide that "personal touch". After all, they also sell Reeboks, NB and Puma's. A pair of Alden is just another piece of merchandise. Well, but they do carry a lot of nice "merchandise".
post #38000 of 87516
FWIW, I have had great customer service from TSM. And actually from one of the owners himself, on more than one occasion.
post #38001 of 87516
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Originally Posted by ThArtOfWardrobe View Post

 

It is a perfectly simple question. A question regarding hue is objective. The fit/feel question that I assume you intended as a similar example is subjective, making it far more difficult if not impossible. I asked if the cigar has more of an olive hue (as was evident in early butts) or more of a red hue (which is more common in later butts). Those are the only two options necessary to answer the question. As "three to five" answers were not even possible, yes, I would consider this an easy question to ask a proprietor of a luxury good. Given the Adam makes a living from selling only Aldens and has handled hundreds of cigar shoes, I would expect him to be able to answer a question that has only two possible answers. More olive, or more red. That's it. He could've written me the following email with which I would have been satisfied:

 

Dear Potential Customer,

 

Olive.

 

Cold and Somewhat Indifferent Regards,

Adam of AoC

 

If you're happy with his service, keep buying from him. I'm not telling you what kind of service to deem acceptable when buying your $700 shoes; don't tell me. 

 

Today I'm wearing the cigar longwings I bought from Frans Boone. 

 

 

 

700

 

 

700

 

Which hue are those? Seems pretty balanced between red and olive. 

post #38002 of 87516
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Originally Posted by sevenfoldtieguy View Post

FWIW, I have had great customer service from TSM. And actually from one of the owners himself, on more than one occasion.

Yes, I had good services from the Zapatka's (Ed, Vicky). Mark W. was so so. He did manage to screw up an order by sending me a single right boot, instead of the left + right pair.
post #38003 of 87516
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Originally Posted by Burton View Post

Throwing this out to the group but this is more of a question for Sevenfold,
I have the Alden for BB shell blucher on the Snap last - 9.5D.
I wear a 9D in Barrie and have a number of those.
I have a pair of NST's on the Aberdeen in 9.5D
I purchased a pair of medallion toe Blucher's, also on the Aberdeen in 9.5D, and they are too big.
My first question, has anyone seen this variability on shoes made on the same last? (NST and Blucher)
My second, the Snap last appears to have a wider toe box and a wider heel, am I correct in this assumption? Does an "E" width Aberdeen fit like a "D" width Snap?[/
quote]

First question: yes; indeed I have seen (and experienced) variation in the same model on the same last. Advice: try another medallion toe Blucher on the Aberdeen in 9.5D.

Second question: For my foot shape, the Snap last and Aberdeen fit very similar. However, I can wear - and have worn - an Aberdeen lasted shoe in 9.5C, whereas a 9.5C in the Snap is too snug.
post #38004 of 87516
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Originally Posted by mtc2000 View Post

Yes, I had good services from the Zapatka's (Ed, Vicky). Mark W. was so so. He did manage to screw up an order by sending me a single right boot, instead of the left + right pair.

Getting just one boot is never good. biggrin.gif
post #38005 of 87516
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Originally Posted by ThArtOfWardrobe View Post

 

It is a perfectly simple question. A question regarding hue is objective. The fit/feel question that I assume you intended as a similar example is subjective, making it far more difficult if not impossible. I asked if the cigar has more of an olive hue (as was evident in early butts) or more of a red hue (which is more common in later butts). Those are the only two options necessary to answer the question. As "three to five" answers were not even possible, yes, I would consider this an easy question to ask a proprietor of a luxury good. Given the Adam makes a living from selling only Aldens and has handled hundreds of cigar shoes, I would expect him to be able to answer a question that has only two possible answers. More olive, or more red. That's it. He could've written me the following email with which I would have been satisfied:

 

Dear Potential Customer,

 

Olive.

 

Cold and Somewhat Indifferent Regards,

Adam of AoC

 

If you're happy with his service, keep buying from him. I'm not telling you what kind of service to deem acceptable when buying your $700 shoes; don't tell me. 

 

Today I'm wearing the cigar longwings I bought from Frans Boone. 

 

 

 

700

 

 

700

I now must go and cop a pair of red socks!! laugh.gif Simply beautiful with the cigar and denim!

post #38006 of 87516

Oh, man I am an idiot.  So I actually ended up bidding on and winning a pair of tassel mocs off eBay and didn't pay attention to the width, just the size.  I just tried them on and I'm like WTH, I can barely get my feet into these...turns out they are 9.5 A/C width and not D.  No way these are going to stretch (or can be stretched), right?  They are very well used.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330833361816?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

post #38007 of 87516
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Originally Posted by sevenfoldtieguy View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burton View Post

Throwing this out to the group but this is more of a question for Sevenfold,
I have the Alden for BB shell blucher on the Snap last - 9.5D.
I wear a 9D in Barrie and have a number of those.
I have a pair of NST's on the Aberdeen in 9.5D
I purchased a pair of medallion toe Blucher's, also on the Aberdeen in 9.5D, and they are too big.
My first question, has anyone seen this variability on shoes made on the same last? (NST and Blucher)
My second, the Snap last appears to have a wider toe box and a wider heel, am I correct in this assumption? Does an "E" width Aberdeen fit like a "D" width Snap?[/
quote]
First question: yes; indeed I have seen (and experienced) variation in the same model on the same last. Advice: try another medallion toe Blucher on the Aberdeen in 9.5D.
Second question: For my foot shape, the Snap last and Aberdeen fit very similar. However, I can wear - and have worn - an Aberdeen lasted shoe in 9.5C, whereas a 9.5C in the Snap is too snug.

Thanks!
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post #38009 of 87516
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Originally Posted by Burton View Post

Throwing this out to the group but this is more of a question for Sevenfold,
I have the Alden for BB shell blucher on the Snap last - 9.5D.
I wear a 9D in Barrie and have a number of those.
I have a pair of NST's on the Aberdeen in 9.5D
I purchased a pair of medallion toe Blucher's, also on the Aberdeen in 9.5D, and they are too big.
My first question, has anyone seen this variability on shoes made on the same last? (NST and Blucher)
My second, the Snap last appears to have a wider toe box and a wider heel, am I correct in this assumption? Does an "E" width Aberdeen fit like a "D" width Snap?

I've had a number of sizing discrepancies over the years with the Aberdeen being the worst. I have pairs that run from 9.5D to 10.5D and they all fit the same. I also got a pair of PTBs once on the Barrie that were insanely big for their size. Long story short, best to always try them on and not trust the size.
post #38010 of 87516
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Originally Posted by Burton View Post

Throwing this out to the group but this is more of a question for Sevenfold,
I have the Alden for BB shell blucher on the Snap last - 9.5D.
I wear a 9D in Barrie and have a number of those.
I have a pair of NST's on the Aberdeen in 9.5D
I purchased a pair of medallion toe Blucher's, also on the Aberdeen in 9.5D, and they are too big.
My first question, has anyone seen this variability on shoes made on the same last? (NST and Blucher)
My second, the Snap last appears to have a wider toe box and a wider heel, am I correct in this assumption? Does an "E" width Aberdeen fit like a "D" width Snap?

^^^ All these all shell cordovan? Or different materials?
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