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Cool perspective i never really thought about.
Fair enough. I guess I was being a bit naive to think that it was for the workers, but seeing how "old school" Alden is, it wouldn't surprise me if the guys who do run the show put up with the headache, and possible lost revenue, to just get away for a few weeks. That whole "money isn't everything" idea...

Most factories shut down for 2 weeks a year. Some do 2 weeks at a time: some do 1 week in summer; 1 week in winter. As stated above it has nothing to do with workers. There is a lot of maintenance and inventory, etc... Most places make you use vacation time for the shut downs, but they also give additional time

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post #35222 of 79228
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post


Educational post. I enjoyed reading your perspective

 

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Originally Posted by NewYorkRanger View Post


Cool perspective i never really thought about.
Fair enough. I guess I was being a bit naive to think that it was for the workers, but seeing how "old school" Alden is, it wouldn't surprise me if the guys who do run the show put up with the headache, and possible lost revenue, to just get away for a few weeks. That whole "money isn't everything" idea...

 

Thank you. As a 3 year lurker before signing up last year, I rarely post, as I feel I don't have much to contribute compared to you guys, who in my opinion have a "Doctorates in Dress". This forum is a daily read for me, so I take away a lot, so I'm very thankful to those who post. NYR, I have been following your post's not only sartorially, but post's about your class size and your family tree back to Italy. Great, great stuff.

 

I was having a conversation about "made in the USA" goods a few months ago with a few of my managers, and its quite a conundrum. Within a 30 mile radius of my plant, you can purchase shoes (Alden) and shirts (New England Shirt Company) along with with a Joseph Abboud stitch house that makes suits in New Bedford, MA, a few exits down from Aldens facility. If one was to be so inclined, one could purchase most clothing articles made by possible neighbors. You could even purchase bedding (sheets, etc) from Matouk, made in our industrial park. All made and manufactured in the USA.

 

The problem? Price. Aldens, non-shells, run in the $300 dollar range, NE shirts run in the $125 range, and while Abboud is frowned upon here, for most, its considered high end. Even AE's (made in WI) are up there for most. To support "made in the USA", its very, very expensive to most. While most here "invest" in our clothing, its the exception, not the rule. Most of my (close to or above) six figure engineers still buy cheap china made shoes because they can get them for $100, never mind a line worker making $15-$20 per hour.

 

In order to maintain a manufacturing facility in the US, never mind here in New England outside of Boston, its very expensive. How do you support local made goods when, in order to pay the salary's, healthcare, benefits, OH, etc., the price of the goods make it unattainable for most at best, or a bad financial decision at worst, to purchase these goods? Its a really hard question to answer. Came up in many MBA classes, and when I studied operations at MIT. Its a question of economics. I'd love to know the average income of the person who purchases Alden shoes, we'd all be blown away I'm sure. I wish I had the answer.

 

I sit on a Business Advisory Board, and its a constant topic of conversation. On that board is the CEO of Matouk, who is expanding his operations, but its to a higher end clientele. He is currently melding operations in the USA along with overseas operations, and using the "a rising tide lifts all boats" strategy; an increase in business will increase production both overseas and domestically. He is proving it works, and workers here realize it, and appreciate his efforts. It allows him to contain cost, and try to increase market share (sell to a not-so high end customer).

 

But I do see a shift, and its shifting back to goods being made here. 

 

Wow, am I rambling. Sorry.

 

This probably belongs in the "Made in USA" thread in MC, but its interesting to think about, and will effect us and our children.

 

I'm sorry if I'm derailing this thread, just something I'm very passionate about. I will stop now...lol.

post #35223 of 79228
Anyone have experience with the "TruFlare" last? It appears that it would be a similar fit to Barrie/TruBalance.

I'm liking this nubuck offering from Tassels



post #35224 of 79228
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Originally Posted by smdbitchh View Post

they all seemed to be in great condition. they were all the same size, fit me well, and all appeared to be cordovan. shop has them each listed for $250. i know they retail for around $600, but would you still consider it a good deal? are any of these harder to find than the others? thanks

Seems like top dollar. I don't think they would sell for more even on ebay. Personally I would consider the cigar cap toes for a little less, like 200? Mainly because I need the color. Otherwise what's the incentive.
post #35225 of 79228
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Originally Posted by Costa View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Thank you. As a 3 year lurker before signing up last year, I rarely post, as I feel I don't have much to contribute compared to you guys, who in my opinion have a "Doctorates in Dress". This forum is a daily read for me, so I take away a lot, so I'm very thankful to those who post. NYR, I have been following your post's not only sartorially, but post's about your class size and your family tree back to Italy. Great, great stuff.

I was having a conversation about "made in the USA" goods a few months ago with a few of my managers, and its quite a conundrum. Within a 30 mile radius of my plant, you can purchase shoes (Alden) and shirts (New England Shirt Company) along with with a Joseph Abboud stitch house that makes suits in New Bedford, MA, a few exits down from Aldens facility. If one was to be so inclined, one could purchase most clothing articles made by possible neighbors. You could even purchase bedding (sheets, etc) from Matouk, made in our industrial park. All made and manufactured in the USA.

The problem? Price. Aldens, non-shells, run in the $300 dollar range, NE shirts run in the $125 range, and while Abboud is frowned upon here, for most, its considered high end. Even AE's (made in WI) are up there for most. To support "made in the USA", its very, very expensive to most. While most here "invest" in our clothing, its the exception, not the rule. Most of my (close to or above) six figure engineers still buy cheap china made shoes because they can get them for $100, never mind a line worker making $15-$20 per hour.

In order to maintain a manufacturing facility in the US, never mind here in New England outside of Boston, its very expensive. How do you support local made goods when, in order to pay the salary's, healthcare, benefits, OH, etc., the price of the goods make it unattainable for most at best, or a bad financial decision at worst, to purchase these goods? Its a really hard question to answer. Came up in many MBA classes, and when I studied operations at MIT. Its a question of economics. I'd love to know the average income of the person who purchases Alden shoes, we'd all be blown away I'm sure. I wish I had the answer.

I sit on a Business Advisory Board, and its a constant topic of conversation. On that board is the CEO of Matouk, who is expanding his operations, but its to a higher end clientele. He is currently melding operations in the USA along with overseas operations, and using the "a rising tide lifts all boats" strategy; an increase in business will increase production both overseas and domestically. He is proving it works, and workers here realize it, and appreciate his efforts. It allows him to contain cost, and try to increase market share (sell to a not-so high end customer).

But I do see a shift, and its shifting back to goods being made here. 

Wow, am I rambling. Sorry.

This probably belongs in the "Made in USA" thread in MC, but its interesting to think about, and will effect us and our children.

I'm sorry if I'm derailing this thread, just something I'm very passionate about. I will stop now...lol.

Awesome. Another example of this is Filson, whose latest catalogue features a whole bunch more USA Made goods, without much of an uptick in price.
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

Anyone have experience with the "TruFlare" last? It appears that it would be a similar fit to Barrie/TruBalance.
I'm liking this nubuck offering from Tassels Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Think the Atoms on the Truflare...I love it. Went TTS (.5 size up from Barrie) and its a little loose, but I think had I gone in my Barrie size it'd be too tight.

Today Black Shell LWB:
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post #35227 of 79228
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Originally Posted by Rishi Kakar View Post

Today is Cigar NST day



I almost just bought those in #8 at Shoemart but went with captoe instead thinking I would get more use out of them. Damn those look good in your pic.
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Went to Alden SF today.

Black Indy to wear while I get my first Aldens, the 403's, recrafted.

Old vs. new, also 403's are an E width while the 401's are a D width.

 

Had my eye on these for a long time.

 

 

Color 8 belt, nickel buckle.

post #35229 of 79228
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Originally Posted by ubiquiti View Post

Went to Alden SF today.
Black Indy to wear while I get my first Aldens, the 403's, recrafted.

Old vs. new, also 403's are an E width while the 401's are a D width.


Had my eye on these for a long time.



Color 8 belt, nickel buckle.

Great haul. Do you know if Alden SF has E widths in the wingtip boots?
post #35230 of 79228
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post


Great haul. Do you know if Alden SF has E widths in the wingtip boots?

Did not ask, but go ahead and give them a call - they are a great group to work with.

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post #35232 of 79228
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Originally Posted by ubiquiti View Post

Went to Alden SF today.
Black Indy to wear while I get my first Aldens, the 403's, recrafted.

Old vs. new, also 403's are an E width while the 401's are a D width.


Had my eye on these for a long time.
Please post an after with the 401. Did you find the E loose?
post #35233 of 79228

Not Alden.  Saddle (whiskey) shell cordovan from Epaulet..     

post #35234 of 79228
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Originally Posted by Papa Doble View Post

What do you guys think of the NST on the Aberdeen, for example these ravello ones from Shoe Mart:

I have nst's on the barrie, aberdeen, and plaza. Aberdeen is my least favorite for the nst.
post #35235 of 79228
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Originally Posted by Costa View Post


Thank you. As a 3 year lurker before signing up last year, I rarely post, as I feel I don't have much to contribute compared to you guys, who in my opinion have a "Doctorates in Dress". This forum is a daily read for me, so I take away a lot, so I'm very thankful to those who post. NYR, I have been following your post's not only sartorially, but post's about your class size and your family tree back to Italy. Great, great stuff.

I was having a conversation about "made in the USA" goods a few months ago with a few of my managers, and its quite a conundrum. Within a 30 mile radius of my plant, you can purchase shoes (Alden) and shirts (New England Shirt Company) along with with a Joseph Abboud stitch house that makes suits in New Bedford, MA, a few exits down from Aldens facility. If one was to be so inclined, one could purchase most clothing articles made by possible neighbors. You could even purchase bedding (sheets, etc) from Matouk, made in our industrial park. All made and manufactured in the USA.

The problem? Price. Aldens, non-shells, run in the $300 dollar range, NE shirts run in the $125 range, and while Abboud is frowned upon here, for most, its considered high end. Even AE's (made in WI) are up there for most. To support "made in the USA", its very, very expensive to most. While most here "invest" in our clothing, its the exception, not the rule. Most of my (close to or above) six figure engineers still buy cheap china made shoes because they can get them for $100, never mind a line worker making $15-$20 per hour.

In order to maintain a manufacturing facility in the US, never mind here in New England outside of Boston, its very expensive. How do you support local made goods when, in order to pay the salary's, healthcare, benefits, OH, etc., the price of the goods make it unattainable for most at best, or a bad financial decision at worst, to purchase these goods? Its a really hard question to answer. Came up in many MBA classes, and when I studied operations at MIT. Its a question of economics. I'd love to know the average income of the person who purchases Alden shoes, we'd all be blown away I'm sure. I wish I had the answer.

I sit on a Business Advisory Board, and its a constant topic of conversation. On that board is the CEO of Matouk, who is expanding his operations, but its to a higher end clientele. He is currently melding operations in the USA along with overseas operations, and using the "a rising tide lifts all boats" strategy; an increase in business will increase production both overseas and domestically. He is proving it works, and workers here realize it, and appreciate his efforts. It allows him to contain cost, and try to increase market share (sell to a not-so high end customer).

But I do see a shift, and its shifting back to goods being made here. 

Wow, am I rambling. Sorry.

This probably belongs in the "Made in USA" thread in MC, but its interesting to think about, and will effect us and our children.

I'm sorry if I'm derailing this thread, just something I'm very passionate about. I will stop now...lol.


I appreciate your insight. nod[1].gif
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