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post #35206 of 79072
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Originally Posted by g.michael View Post

S alden, in most ways, seems to be operated as if it is still the 1950's. they completely shut down for two weeks every july--who does that nowadays?

People who care about their employees, and themselves enough to realize that money isn't everything. I'd much rather spend time with my wife and kids than know I have an extra few thousand dollars in the bank, and somewhere most people in our country have lost that. I'm glad they shut down for the two weeks, and wished it would be longer for their workers' sakes, and gladly will pay and wait for delays to know they treat their workers as humans and not money making machines.

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post #35207 of 79072
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

When it comes to color 8 boots, I'm partial to these when it comes to that title:
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But if we were truly nominating a "navy blazer" of Alden, it would probably be either the color 8 tassel or color 8 LHS

I've probably said this before, but blind eyes and hooks is a win. Especially on cap and perf cap toes. Makes a boot slide from informal to formal seamlessly.
post #35208 of 79072
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Originally Posted by NewYorkRanger View Post

People who care about their employees, and themselves enough to realize that money isn't everything. I'd much rather spend time with my wife and kids than know I have an extra few thousand dollars in the bank, and somewhere most people in our country have lost that. I'm glad they shut down for the two weeks, and wished it would be longer for their workers' sakes, and gladly will pay and wait for delays to know they treat their workers as humans and not money making machines.

Truth. Time is infinitely more precious than money.
post #35209 of 79072
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Originally Posted by bucksfan View Post

^ they have been resoled, the original soles say Alden on them. Not necessarily a problem, if the cobbler did a decent job. The brown pair appear to be cigar cap- toe bluchers on the plaza last ( nice find!).

 

they all seemed to be in great condition. they were all the same size, fit me well, and all appeared to be cordovan. shop has them each listed for $250. i know they retail for around $600, but would you still consider it a good deal? are any of these harder to find than the others? thanks

post #35210 of 79072
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Originally Posted by NewYorkRanger View Post

People who care about their employees, and themselves enough to realize that money isn't everything. I'd much rather spend time with my wife and kids than know I have an extra few thousand dollars in the bank, and somewhere most people in our country have lost that. I'm glad they shut down for the two weeks, and wished it would be longer for their workers' sakes, and gladly will pay and wait for delays to know they treat their workers as humans and not money making machines.

While I agree, I have a hunch their scheduled down-time is juts as much for Alden's benefit as it is the workers. I don't know how much vacation time an Alden worker gets, I would bet the majority of the vacation time an average Alden worker takes is in this two-week timeframe. This way you don't have random people leaving for 1-2 week stretches and shutting down certain parts of the line.

I really don't mind the two-week summer shutdown. I do with wish they'd get out of the 50s with their communication though.

Then again, I guess that's part of their "charm."
post #35211 of 79072
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Originally Posted by ElDave View Post

I really don't mind the two-week summer shutdown. I do with wish they'd get out of the 50s with their communication though.
Then again, I guess that's part of their "charm."

While I don't think this is part of their strategic marketing, I do believe it does work to their advantage...their "charm" and the rarity and hype surrounding their rare releases. Judging on how quickly they ALWAYS sell out, I don't foresee them changing, or wanting to, anytime soon.

As far as the vacation, its probably more for the owners and big wigs just as much, if not more so, than for their employees. I'm pretty sure Alden is a union shop so two weeks vaca for longtime employees seems way too short.
post #35212 of 79072
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

Love the Aberdeen last. Have this in the boot version and the color is incredible. The NST took some getting used to.

Do you mean you had to warm up to the style?
post #35213 of 79072
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Originally Posted by NewYorkRanger View Post

While I don't think this is part of their strategic marketing, I do believe it does work to their advantage...their "charm" and the rarity and hype surrounding their rare releases. Judging on how quickly they ALWAYS sell out, I don't foresee them changing, or wanting to, anytime soon.
As far as the vacation, its probably more for the owners and big wigs just as much, if not more so, than for their employees. I'm pretty sure Alden is a union shop so two weeks vaca for longtime employees seems way too short.

Also note that Alden is a union factory.
post #35214 of 79072
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Originally Posted by NewYorkRanger View Post


People who care about their employees, and themselves enough to realize that money isn't everything. I'd much rather spend time with my wife and kids than know I have an extra few thousand dollars in the bank, and somewhere most people in our country have lost that. I'm glad they shut down for the two weeks, and wished it would be longer for their workers' sakes, and gladly will pay and wait for delays to know they treat their workers as humans and not money making machines.

Too idealistic. I'm VP of operations/engineering at a large manufacturer (large industrial machinery) 27 miles down the road from Alden. We do soup to nuts manufacturing (Raw steel in one door of facility, finished product out the other door that ships world wide, with full staff engineering,), one of the few left of what was many years ago.

 

Shut downs have nothing to do with "caring about the worker". They work to the benefit of the company; as someone said maintenance, retooling, etc. And from an accounting standpoint, it wipes a lot of vacation off the books all at once and helps my supervisors from a planning standpoint. Many workers actually do not like it, as it forces them to take vacation time, as taking vacation time is mandatory during shut downs. As we have been in business for over 40 years, some of the older people head off to Portugal (large Portuguese work force) during shut down, but the younger one's sort of chafe at being forced to take vacation time. In the last 3 years because of our increasing backlog, I have cancelled the shut down, but have noticed the increasing maintenance issues on some of our larger more complex manufacturing equipment, many of our lasers. Our sheet metal department runs 7 days per week, 24 hours per day.

 

As for "wishing it was longer", my manufacturing staff (157 direct labor, meaning hourly) would be pissed. It would mean using up 1) more vacation or 2) being unpaid. Someone said that we "already work too hard" or something to that effect. During the financial crisis I had to take down manufacturing to 4 days per week to save jobs, and the general morale was just bad. I'd walk the floor and it was tough. Some of the best times are when we are cranking and my OT is climbing.

 

Just an ops executives insight. I'm a big fan of USA built goods (as you can tell from my job) and come from a long line of "made in USA"; father worked for Morse Twist Drill for many years (the twist drill was invented in MA) before the union there destroyed the company (my father was a union member his whole life, and you won't find a more non-union guy out there), and my brother is Operations Manager for a union steel plant in MA as well. My plant is non-union.

 

Sorry to turn this into an Ops 101 class.

post #35215 of 79072
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Originally Posted by Costa View Post

Too idealistic. I'm VP of operations/engineering at a large manufacturer (large industrial machinery) 27 miles down the road from Alden. We do soup to nuts manufacturing (Raw steel in one door of facility, finished product out the other door that ships world wide, with full staff engineering,), one of the few left of what was many years ago.

Shut downs have nothing to do with "caring about the worker". They work to the benefit of the company; as someone said maintenance, retooling, etc. And from an accounting standpoint, it wipes a lot of vacation off the books all at once and helps my supervisors from a planning standpoint. Many workers actually do not like it, as it forces them to take vacation time, as taking vacation time is mandatory during shut downs. As we have been in business for over 40 years, some of the older people head off to Portugal (large Portuguese work force) during shut down, but the younger one's sort of chafe at being forced to take vacation time. In the last 3 years because of our increasing backlog, I have cancelled the shut down, but have noticed the increasing maintenance issues on some of our larger more complex manufacturing equipment, many of our lasers. Our sheet metal department runs 7 days per week, 24 hours per day.

As for "wishing it was longer", my manufacturing staff (157 direct labor, meaning hourly) would be pissed. It would mean using up 1) more vacation or 2) being unpaid. Someone said that we "already work too hard" or something to that effect. During the financial crisis I had to take down manufacturing to 4 days per week to save jobs, and the general morale was just bad. I'd walk the floor and it was tough. Some of the best times are when we are cranking and my OT is climbing.

Just an ops executives insight. I'm a big fan of USA built goods (as you can tell from my job) and come from a long line of "made in USA"; father worked for Morse Twist Drill for many years (the twist drill was invented in MA) before the union there destroyed the company (my father was a union member his whole life, and you won't find a more non-union guy out there), and my brother is Operations Manager for a union steel plant in MA as well. My plant is non-union.

Sorry to turn this into an Ops 101 class.

Educational post. I enjoyed reading your perspective
post #35216 of 79072
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Originally Posted by Papa Doble View Post

Do you mean you had to warm up to the style?

Yeah. I purchased it on a whim because I got it for a great price (new) but them took a couple of months to get used to. It's just an odd looking style. Kind of reminds me of a hoof
post #35217 of 79072
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

Yeah. I purchased it on a whim because I got it for a great price (new) but them took a couple of months to get used to. It's just an odd looking style. Kind of reminds me of a hoof
this.

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like a moose knuckle/camel toe
post #35218 of 79072
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Originally Posted by Costa View Post

Too idealistic. I'm VP of operations/engineering at a large manufacturer (large industrial machinery) 27 miles down the road from Alden. We do soup to nuts manufacturing (Raw steel in one door of facility, finished product out the other door that ships world wide, with full staff engineering,), one of the few left of what was many years ago.

Shut downs have nothing to do with "caring about the worker". They work to the benefit of the company; as someone said maintenance, retooling, etc. And from an accounting standpoint, it wipes a lot of vacation off the books all at once and helps my supervisors from a planning standpoint. Many workers actually do not like it, as it forces them to take vacation time, as taking vacation time is mandatory during shut downs. As we have been in business for over 40 years, some of the older people head off to Portugal (large Portuguese work force) during shut down, but the younger one's sort of chafe at being forced to take vacation time. In the last 3 years because of our increasing backlog, I have cancelled the shut down, but have noticed the increasing maintenance issues on some of our larger more complex manufacturing equipment, many of our lasers. Our sheet metal department runs 7 days per week, 24 hours per day.

As for "wishing it was longer", my manufacturing staff (157 direct labor, meaning hourly) would be pissed. It would mean using up 1) more vacation or 2) being unpaid. Someone said that we "already work too hard" or something to that effect. During the financial crisis I had to take down manufacturing to 4 days per week to save jobs, and the general morale was just bad. I'd walk the floor and it was tough. Some of the best times are when we are cranking and my OT is climbing.

Just an ops executives insight. I'm a big fan of USA built goods (as you can tell from my job) and come from a long line of "made in USA"; father worked for Morse Twist Drill for many years (the twist drill was invented in MA) before the union there destroyed the company (my father was a union member his whole life, and you won't find a more non-union guy out there), and my brother is Operations Manager for a union steel plant in MA as well. My plant is non-union.

Sorry to turn this into an Ops 101 class.

Cool perspective i never really thought about.

Fair enough. I guess I was being a bit naive to think that it was for the workers, but seeing how "old school" Alden is, it wouldn't surprise me if the guys who do run the show put up with the headache, and possible lost revenue, to just get away for a few weeks. That whole "money isn't everything" idea...
post #35219 of 79072
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Originally Posted by smdbitchh View Post

they all seemed to be in great condition. they were all the same size, fit me well, and all appeared to be cordovan. shop has them each listed for $250. i know they retail for around $600, but would you still consider it a good deal? are any of these harder to find than the others? thanks

Im not big on used shoes, but If they fit well and seem clean on the inside, I'd consider them, but it looks like the #8 has some creasing on the toe cap - generally not a good thing. They'd probably sell for the 250 to 300 range on the 'bay.
Edited by bucksfan - 9/22/12 at 1:14pm
post #35220 of 79072

My cigar NST

 

 

 

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