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Originally Posted by AldenLuver View Post

Does anyone have suggestions for shell care and polishing?  High gloss?  I was told I can do a spit shine using plain old Kiwi wax/polish (i.e. cordovan color for my color 8 LWB).  I thought I had read before that you shouldn't use regular shoe polish on shells.  I was also told that the Alden paste wax is really more of a cream and couldn't be used with a spit shine because of its texture.  Any thoughts?  thanks...


"the ultimate goal is to never apply wax polish to your shells"

from Mac here:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/85589/the-official-alden-thread/18400_80#post_4985680

I apply wax about once a year to my shells personally but try not to any more than that. It's just not needed and can sometimes make them look worse and actually less shiny than just brushing and cloth buffing.
Edited by mediahound - 2/8/12 at 4:49pm

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post #23177 of 79265
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Originally Posted by AldenLuver View Post

Does anyone have suggestions for shell care and polishing?  High gloss?  I was told I can do a spit shine using plain old Kiwi wax/polish (i.e. cordovan color for my color 8 LWB).  I thought I had read before that you shouldn't use regular shoe polish on shells.  I was also told that the Alden paste wax is really more of a cream and couldn't be used with a spit shine because of its texture.  Any thoughts?  thanks...

1) Use mac method sparingly (moist cloth, lots of brushing, buffing cloth)
2) Use wax polish sparingly - there is a debate on what this means, I use wax polish a bit more than most (once every five or six weeks) on most of my shells. The more you use wax polish, though, the more you need t brush
3) Keep a conditioning cream (Saphir, Venetian, etc) nearby to deal with dry looking cordovan
post #23178 of 79265
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Originally Posted by Matto ELITE View Post

Just placed my order with Alden San Francisco for LWB Cigar in 9.5D, I hope like hell they fit.  Shoe trees, wax paste, ans 8" shoe horn on the way as well. happy.gif


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post #23179 of 79265
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Originally Posted by fitchottie View Post

What are your thoughts on NON-Ref deposits....I can understand for one off shoes that you might never see again. This is for #8 indy and Cigar Indy commando sole.

I've read your posts - I'd charge you full price. But that's just me...
post #23180 of 79265
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

"the ultimate goal is to never apply wax polish to your shells"
from Mac here:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/85589/the-official-alden-thread/18400_80#post_4985680
I apply wax about once a year to my shells personally but try not to any more than that. It's just not needed and can sometimes make them look worse and actually less shiny than just brushing and cloth buffing.

While never applying wax polish might be the goal, it's a bit too optimistic and borderline unrealistic.

FWIW the Meltonian delicate boot/shoe cream (neutral) that I use is a wax base so it has the dual benefit of conditioning dry shell plus some of the protection and shine that wax delivers
post #23181 of 79265
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Originally Posted by furo View Post

While never applying wax polish might be the goal, it's a bit too optimistic and borderline unrealistic.
FWIW the Meltonian delicate boot/shoe cream (neutral) that I use is a wax base so it has the dual benefit of conditioning dry shell plus some of the protection and shine that wax delivers

Since both Venetian and Reno have some wax in them already, I bet one could get by with never applying a wax polish to shell without much issue.
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

Since both Venetian and Reno have some wax in them already, I bet one could get by with never applying a wax polish to shell without much issue.

Paste wax serves a purpose - filling in dents, enhancing the color of the shoes, helping to create a brighter shine, etc. Alden sells color 8 paste wax for a reason, it is designed to be used on color 8 cordovan. Given the characteristics of shell, it should be used more sparingly than you would use it on calf, but you should definitely get a tin. All of the shoe care videos posted on here (the woman from SF, leffot, etc) include applications of paste wax
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So all the discussion of ShoeMart seconds had me wondering - has anyone gotten SM to ship Aldens out of the US? I'm wondering how much a phone call could accomplish. PM me if you don't want to post it here.

 

Also, does anyone know why Alden won't let them ship out of the US? 

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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

Paste wax serves a purpose - filling in dents, enhancing the color of the shoes, helping to create a brighter shine, etc. Alden sells color 8 paste wax for a reason, it is designed to be used on color 8 cordovan. Given the characteristics of shell, it should be used more sparingly than you would use it on calf, but you should definitely get a tin. All of the shoe care videos posted on here (the woman from SF, leffot, etc) include applications of paste wax

Nick Horween himself doesn't use wax on shell (or if he does, barely):

"Less is more. 90 percent of all maintenance should be done with a damp cloth, a fine brush, and a soft, polishing cloth. I condition my shoes very lightly ever 15 to 20 wears and then brush and buff them. Cordovan contains a very high wax and oil content, so adding too much conditioner or paste wax will just cause it to sit up on the surface and build up."


from: http://www.styleforum.net/t/274603/nick-v-interviews-nick-horween-horween-leather/0_80

This has been my experience as well. I applied the color 8 polish to my 975s and after the first wear after doing so, they looked worse than before because the wax built up in the folds and started making them look whiter and dry. I then used just a damp cloth, horsehair brush and dry cloth to buff it well and they then looked way better.

By the way, the Ravellos in my profile pic to the left have never had a single application of wax ever, except at the factory when they were new.
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

Nick Horween himself doesn't use wax on shell (or if he does, barely):

"Less is more. 90 percent of all maintenance should be done with a damp cloth, a fine brush, and a soft, polishing cloth. I condition my shoes very lightly ever 15 to 20 wears and then brush and buff them. Cordovan contains a very high wax and oil content, so adding too much conditioner or paste wax will just cause it to sit up on the surface and build up."

from: http://www.styleforum.net/t/274603/nick-v-interviews-nick-horween-horween-leather/0_80#post_5138968
This has been my experience as well. I applied the color 8 polish to my 975s and after the first wear after doing so, they looked worse than before because the wax built up in the folds and started making them look whiter and dry. I then used just a damp cloth, horsehair brush and dry cloth to buff it well and they then looked way better.
By the way, the Ravellos in my profile pic to the left have never seen a single application of wax.

Thing is you poloshed your 975 when they were basically brand new (which will make them look worse). Of course you wear your shoes for a few weeks before using any product (polish, saphir, whatever). Use polish sparingly and when needed, but after a few weeks, applying saphir then paste wax to my cordovans tends to make them look much better (particularly on my cigars). This is all YMMV, but like I said, it's good to have a tin around if you need it
post #23186 of 79265
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Originally Posted by Matto ELITE View Post

Just placed my order with Alden San Francisco for LWB Cigar in 9.5D, I hope like hell they fit.  Shoe trees, wax paste, ans 8" shoe horn on the way as well. happy.gif

Put in an order for mine with Shoemart last Friday. Shipped yesterday, due to arrive February 14th. Context and Unionmade have spoiled me -- I'm used to receiving orders within 4-5 days. This is even more excurciating because, well, it's Cigar LWB's I'm waiting on.
post #23187 of 79265
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

Thing is you poloshed your 975 when they were basically brand new

Nope, why would I do that? They come new with too much polish on them already.
post #23188 of 79265
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

Nope, why would I do that? They come new with too much polish on them already.

Did you buy them from someone else (I was confused, thought you bought them new). A lot of shell does look bad when people put too much wax on them. All I am saying is that wax when used correctly can enhance shell as it ages.
post #23189 of 79265
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

Nope, why would I do that? They come new with too much polish on them already.

probably missed the "and", i did too... "I applied the color 8 polish to my 975s and after the first wear"
post #23190 of 79265
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Originally Posted by tropics View Post

probably missed the "and", i did too... "I applied the color 8 polish to my 975s and after the first wear"

Right - so it looks like he used Mac method after wearing the shells with polish, which is recommended, especially after using wax (as it can attract dust)

Look, I'm not saying use paste wax after every wear, I'm just saying I don't necessarily agree with the no paste wax evangelists....
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