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^ "We" also know that Alden has been so successful and enduring because they have stayed in the US with their Shoe Union workers. They promote themselves as proud to be Made in the US with union workers. I question this hand-wringing sadfaced boasting that unionized American workers are suddenly a problem for Alden. If you don't like unions you can buy Chinese shoes.
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Bit of a non-sequitur there, unionized workers are a problem for almost every industry they are in, but that's not the issue. Drawing "i question unions" to "you should buy chinese shoes" is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Unions have their uses, and their abuses. That's just common sense! To say that unions have no role in price increases is a bit naive...
post #9858 of 122416
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post #9859 of 122416
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^ "We" also know that Alden has been so successful and enduring because they have stayed in the US with their Shoe Union workers. They promote themselves as proud to be Made in the US with union workers. I question this hand-wringing sadfaced boasting that unionized American workers are suddenly a problem for Alden. If you don't like unions you can buy Chinese shoes.

Wow, sensitive much? He didn't even say anything BAD about unions. All he said was they wield a lot of power, and since there aren't many shoe craftsman in the US these days, the union has that much more leverage when they decide they need to be paid more.
post #9860 of 122416
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To say that unions have no role in price increases is a bit naive...

Naive, kind of like when you attribute the entire price increase to "unions"?
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Bit of a non-sequitur there, unionized workers are a problem for almost every industry they are in, but that's not the issue. Drawing "i question unions" to "you should buy chinese shoes" is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Unions have their uses, and their abuses. That's just common sense! To say that unions have no role in price increases is a bit naive...
If these increases are going mostly to the workers and their families, I have no problem with it. In fact I approve. Aldens are in very high demand right now and they are doing really well for themselves. Why shouldn't the workers get a share of the pie? Alden's whole reputation and images revolves around these workers and the mystique that comes with hand made in the USA shoes. Aldens are a premium product. Speaking for myself, if I'm already committed to dropping 400-500 dollars, 20-40 extra isn't gonna bother me that much; especially here when I read posts from dudes copping 500+ Junya button ups (btw, this is not meant to be a knock against Junya).
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If these increases are going mostly to the workers and their families, I have no problem with it. In fact I approve. Aldens are in very high demand right now and they are doing really well for themselves. Why shouldn't the workers get a share of the pie? Alden's whole reputation and images revolves around these workers and the mystique that comes with hand made in the USA shoes.

Aldens are a premium product. Speaking for myself, if I'm already committed to dropping 400-500 dollars, 20-40 extra isn't gonna bother me that much; especially here when I read posts from dudes copping 500+ Junya button ups (btw, this is not meant to be a knock against Junya).

I hae no problem with teh price increases, given that i ordered 4 pairs of shell this month alone; my problem is with people getting upset when i point out what is otherwise blatant - unions raise prices!

I didn't say this was good or bad, but it seems to have really struck a nerve...
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Wow, sensitive much? He didn't even say anything BAD about unions. All he said was they wield a lot of power, and since there aren't many shoe craftsman in the US these days, the union has that much more leverage when they decide they need to be paid more.

TYhank you!

Exactly, i never said they were bad, i just that thats the fact! I love alden and won't stop buying any time soon.
post #9864 of 122416
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Originally Posted by geoffmartin17 View Post
Bit of a non-sequitur there, unionized workers are a problem for almost every industry they are in, but that's not the issue. Drawing "i question unions" to "you should buy chinese shoes" is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Unions have their uses, and their abuses. That's just common sense! To say that unions have no role in price increases is a bit naive...

Give it a fucking rest and take it to CE.
To say that you know unions are the reason for the price increase is equally a stretch and just as naive.
post #9865 of 122416
^ +1

And while we're on the subject of giving things a rest, am I the only person who doesn't know or give a shit what size you'll be on the Barrie last? Would someone please start a thread for Alden sizing questions if it is that important to the majority of people.

There, now I feel better.
post #9866 of 122416
Of course unions play a role in the cost. I objected to the idea that "we" would all know that unions were the reason for the price increase -- as though there were no other factors. I googled around looking for news about Alden & their union, thinking perhaps I was missing something and there was in fact some kind of labor crisis up there. But all I found were a number of sites listing Alden as "union made," and the Alden leadership promoting their shoes on the Lou Dobbs show as made in USA with 80-year-old lady managers in ancient unions. It really brought home the absurdity of blaming Alden's union for the price increase, when Alden's status as an American heritage brand is in large part all burnished and shiny because they still manufacture in America with union workers. And no American should be surprised that unions are a touchy subject. You can't act all innocent and reasonable after blaming the price increase on the fact that Alden has had a union forever. It's no different than blaming the price increase on Republicans or abortion-rights advocates. Keep the union slanders in the CEsspool where they belong.
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Attributing a price increase to a union, how is that union slander?
post #9868 of 122416
Less debate...more pics
post #9869 of 122416
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What the hell... just 1.5-2 years ago (or maybe even less) the standard 405 was only ~330, it's currently hovering around ~420 and it's soon going to be more?

Oh come on you're already paying over $400 for shoes and they're going to be $20 more. Who cares.

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Less debate...more pics

+∞
post #9870 of 122416
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Originally Posted by HorseHide View Post
^ +1

And while we're on the subject of giving things a rest, am I the only person who doesn't know or give a shit what size you'll be on the Barrie last? Would someone please start a thread for Alden sizing questions if it is that important to the majority of people.

There, now I feel better.

Well, unfortunately I don't think this question will go away anytime soon, as this thread is the first to pop up with Alden in the search.

However, maybe those with questions can just be directed here:

http://www.alden-of-carmel.com/index.cfm/fitting.htm

From my experience though, you really will never know your true sizing until you try the shoes on.
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