Ok, Update on the Ravello Captoe's for anyone interested. They were only confirmed like 11 units. Super small run. So I'm assuming the list has been full for some time though I did not ask. They went into production in June with 16-18 week lead time. So they are expected in October.
Like mdubs said yesterday in Alden language "we just got " = 2-3 months, so I'm sure he was talking about the Cigar Grant boots they received a few weeks ago.