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Originally Posted by smoothie1 View Post
 

Need certainly can come into play when purchasing Aldens, particularly shell cordovan pairs. If the shoes are well cared for and worn after at least one day of rest, Alden shell cordovan shoes are extremely durable and can basically last indefinitely with resoling. I know super conservative old school business guys, who have maybe three pairs of Alden dress shoes they rotate; that's it.  While many of us enjoy shoes and have collections that surpass a meager three pairs, I think it would be fair to say a person who wears conservatively styled dress shoes needs only two or three pairs.  

 

Also, I purchased my first pair of Alden #8 LHS circa 2003, which I recognize, makes them nearly new compared to some featured in this thread. I have sent them for resoling through Alden's factory restoration twice, which I think is a good service. Because these LHS are my favorites, and I wear them frequently, whether that means through rain or sleet or snow, I became sick of resoling with leather and opted for a Dainite sole (installed by a reputable place that gets the occasional mention on the forum) for my third sole in a decade.  Anyhow, with the Dainite soles, the shoes have become unbelievably hard wearing, meanwhile the uppers still look brand new. Shoes are made to be worn, so no matter how many pairs you have, I think you ought to wear them and enjoy them. 

 

Cheers. 


Awesome to hear that about the Dainite soles. I really want to put some red ones on my Whiskey LHS. I think that might make them look kind of funky but the durability sounds awesome + I could wear them in the rainy season here in FL.

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^^^ RTP, there you go intimidating and yelling at people again. Why can't you just talk about your issues in a calm and rational manner?
I know, right??? I'm leaving.
post #66543 of 122416
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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post


It would be interesting to see what the cost of manufacturing is between black/color 8 and the the exotic shells. The exotic colors certainly cost more at retail, so I wonder how much more it costs Alden to manufacture those.

EDIT: I guess this is pretty much the same question you just asked, because once you have the manufacturing costs, you could just compare that to the retail pricing to figure out their margin.

HAHA, this is exactly what I was thinking to myself when I read the first part of your post.:cheers:

 

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Originally Posted by GooseG View Post


I doubt Alden has additional costs incurred by the exotics. They buy their shells from Horween, who grades them by usable size, and I imagine that Alden dyes their custom colors themselves.

Maybe they need to swap out some materials for a day to do exotic dyes....but really, it's just simple supply/demand. The shells needed for the exotics are rarer than others, and the price is raised to reflect it.

I think that this is a big part of it.  As others have mentioned, the smaller batches/quantity of rare colors may result in some loss of economies of scale.  However, it is possible that this is not true.

 

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I figured the only possible chance of the exotics costing more to manufacture would be due to the fact that they are manufactured in smaller quantities. Alden churns out far more black and color 8 shell, so maybe it costs less per shoe when they're making those.

^This, plus the premium paid for the shells with fewer blemishes that are used to make exotic colors.

 

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I don't think Alden incurs a higher cost of production for rare shell colors...except the cost of the shell itself from Horween.  I think shell has different ratings to the quality of the hide, and I know that lighter color shell is harder to manufacture and dye.  Anybody that owns a lighter colored shell shoe or boot has seen slight imperfections in the hide itself, darker and lighter areas, splotching, stains, etc. all on never worn product.  Therefore its my opinion lighter colored shell costs more to produce the hide compared to black and #8.  It's no different than buying a choice cut of meat vs. prime.  All types of exotic hides are rated for quality.  Alligator is a great example, theres all types of alligator belly...some of it fairly stiff and cheaper, some is garment quality and very soft and more expensive.  

 

While Alden likely does not incur a higher cost of production for rare shell colors, I do believe they have more rejects in the rare colors.  These shoes are hand made, its easy to get spots on light colors during production...oil from the machines, spots from glue, spots from stains used to color the welts.  All of that has to be factored into the costs.

 

While many consider #8 to be the King of colors, and black a base staple...both of those colors are very forgiving when it comes to covering small defects and color variances.

 

See Ya,

Steve

^Also valid points.

 

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Originally Posted by N YMutt View Post


I read somewhere that lighter colors require more perfect skins and shells because darker colors mask some flaws, so, if that's true, production costs might be higher for the lighter colors. As for mark-up on cordovan in general as opposed to calf,I really have no idea, but, all other things being equal, I would expect that Horween's dominance of the market for cordovan leather would put pressure on Alden's margins, depending, I guess, on how much competition Alden has from AE and other makers who rely on Horween. If Carmina competed more aggressively in the US, then consumers would probably benefit on price, though it's also possible that quality would suffer if each competitor cut corners to get prices down. Increasing demand for luxury items often results in a decline in quality.

Bargaining power of consumer (from Horween's perspective) vs. Bargaining power of supplier (from Alden's perspective)  Porter's 5 Forces.  Sounds as if you know a thing or two about this.

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Originally Posted by MrDV View Post

I really like these uncle Mac. I want a pair.

nephew,

thank you
post #66545 of 122416
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Hey guys do you think it is redundant to have some shortwing boots and longwing bluchers in the same color? My rotation as of now is only 3 pairs, this next purchase being my fourth, so keep in mind that I have a small rotation. I had my eyes set on a pair of brown LWB until the ralph lauren sale came up and I got myself a pair of lindrick's boots. Now I am wondering if I should still buy the brown LWB. 

I don't think it's redundant. I have short wing boots and LWBs both in #8 (as well as a pair of #8 shortwing bluchers on order). While they are often interchangeable for my needs, this time of year, when I am wearing heavier or more textured pants, like the vintage Orvis tweed trousers I have on today, I am more apt to grab the boots than the shoes.
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nephew,
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#8 NST Plaza Boot
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nephew,
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Does anyone have an email for Alden of DC, or do they only have a phone number? I was planning on emailing them to ask a few questions about their make ups.

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Originally Posted by Nakedsnake View Post
 

Does anyone have an email for Alden of DC, or do they only have a phone number? I was planning on emailing them to ask a few questions about their make ups.

washdc@aldenshoe.com

 

(202) 347-2308

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washdc@aldenshoe.com

 

(202) 347-2308


Great.
 

Thank you.

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I know, right??? I'm leaving.
Thanks for that tifosi, I can't stop laughing! You know for all the talk of shell cordovan supply and demand, including of all things the invocation of Porter's Five Forces, has anybody thought to just ask Nick Horween what pressures affect his side of the business? I gotta go back to school, you guys are way to smart for me.
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Uncle, your a classy gentleman wearing the classic Alden gunboat. Love the socks!
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Nice #8 King Gunboats Uncle!

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I still can't figure out how within a month of lurking/posting here, I went from apathy to lust for the longwing design.

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