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Please explain how this talk of uncle makes you uncomfortable. I mean, it's not like he's taking photos of his junk or any such deviant things. Uncle has some seriously badass makeups, and you would do well to hold your tongue young whippersnapper!

 

Insert the "yelling" that he was originally referring to. :facepalm:

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A salesman in the Madison Avenue store gave me this explanation, which seems plausible if you think about the whole market, and not justf those of us who take an unusually keen interest in adding dimension to our show collections. He said that Alden has become hot and Alden is selling as many pairs of black and No. 8 as it can make, so they are not keen to spend factory time on shoes that appeal only to certain market segments. If is true, it makes sense from a businessman's point of view. Disappointing for us, but not mystifying or nefarious. Which is not to say that they don't get a fair benefit from the buzz they create about when other colors will hit the stores.
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A salesman in the Madison Avenue store gave me this explanation, which seems plausible if you think about the whole market, and not justf those of us who take an unusually keen interest in adding dimension to our show collections. He said that Alden has become hot and Alden is selling as many pairs of black and No. 8 as it can make, so they are not keen to spend factory time on shoes that appeal only to certain market segments. If is true, it makes sense from a businessman's point of view. Disappointing for us, but not mystifying or nefarious. Which is not to say that they don't get a fair benefit from the buzz they create about when other colors will hit the stores.

Clearly this salesman that you spoke to is part of the conspiracy and only offered this explanation as a cover-up to throw you off the scent.

 

Edit:  I wonder if they have a greater margin on black and #8 than they do exotic colors.  I wonder if they have a greater margin on shell vs suede, calf, or CXL.

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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

Clearly this salesman that you spoke to is part of the conspiracy and only offered this explanation as a cover-up to throw you off the scent.

Edit:  I wonder if they have a greater margin on black and #8 than they do exotic colors.  I wonder if they have a greater margin on shell vs suede, calf, or CXL.

It would be interesting to see what the cost of manufacturing is between black/color 8 and the the exotic shells. The exotic colors certainly cost more at retail, so I wonder how much more it costs Alden to manufacture those.

EDIT: I guess this is pretty much the same question you just asked, because once you have the manufacturing costs, you could just compare that to the retail pricing to figure out their margin.
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Ok, I think you may be right. How about commando sole as the only requirement? If anyone has any in size 10, I'm here!
I would check J Gilbert.
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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post

It would be interesting to see what the cost of manufacturing is between black/color 8 and the the exotic shells. The exotic colors certainly cost more at retail, so I wonder how much more it costs Alden to manufacture those.

EDIT: I guess this is pretty much the same question you just asked, because once you have the manufacturing costs, you could just compare that to the retail pricing to figure out their margin.

I doubt Alden has additional costs incurred by the exotics. They buy their shells from Horween, who grades them by usable size, and I imagine that Alden dyes their custom colors themselves.

Maybe they need to swap out some materials for a day to do exotic dyes....but really, it's just simple supply/demand. The shells needed for the exotics are rarer than others, and the price is raised to reflect it.
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I doubt Alden has additional costs incurred by the exotics. They buy their shells from Horween, who grades them by usable size, and I imagine that Alden dyes their custom colors themselves.

Maybe they need to swap out some materials for a day to do exotic dyes....but really, it's just simple supply/demand. The shells needed for the exotics are rarer than others, and the price is raised to reflect it.

I figured the only possible chance of the exotics costing more to manufacture would be due to the fact that they are manufactured in smaller quantities. Alden churns out far more black and color 8 shell, so maybe it costs less per shoe when they're making those.
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Random question:  how do you guys get your marketplace items to show up in your sigs? I'm selling a couple pairs to fund a LWB purchase and I suppose it would help.

 

  • 9D snuff blucher on Leydon (single waterloc sole)
  • 8.5D chromexcel Blucher, Barrie last (leather sole/rubber heel)
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I figured the only possible chance of the exotics costing more to manufacture would be due to the fact that they are manufactured in smaller quantities. Alden churns out far more black and color 8 shell, so maybe it costs less per shoe when they're making those.

Very well could be the case.

 

But shell is shell, and unless they're doing a special makeup I'm not sure if there's much of a difference.

 

If everything's being done by hand, there aren't really manufacturing delays for things like switching molds/dies.

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Tres Bien has 20% off all shoes, Aldens included, brings models down to a little less than US pricing

http://tres-bien.com/brand/alden
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Tres Bien has 20% off all shoes, Aldens included, brings models down to a little less than US pricing

http://tres-bien.com/brand/alden

 

If their prices weren't 40-50% higher than domestic ones, that might be a good deal, but, like you said, they only come close to US pricing when the discount is factored in.

 

Edit: It's not even a discount. They just remove the VAT from your purchase, which is standard.

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#8 NST Plaza Boot

 

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Originally Posted by GooseG View Post
 

Very well could be the case.

 

But shell is shell, and unless they're doing a special makeup I'm not sure if there's much of a difference.

 

If everything's being done by hand, there aren't really manufacturing delays for things like switching molds/dies.

I don't think Alden incurs a higher cost of production for rare shell colors...except the cost of the shell itself from Horween.  I think shell has different ratings to the quality of the hide, and I know that lighter color shell is harder to manufacture and dye.  Anybody that owns a lighter colored shell shoe or boot has seen slight imperfections in the hide itself, darker and lighter areas, splotching, stains, etc. all on never worn product.  Therefore its my opinion lighter colored shell costs more to produce the hide compared to black and #8.  It's no different than buying a choice cut of meat vs. prime.  All types of exotic hides are rated for quality.  Alligator is a great example, theres all types of alligator belly...some of it fairly stiff and cheaper, some is garment quality and very soft and more expensive.  

 

While Alden likely does not incur a higher cost of production for rare shell colors, I do believe they have more rejects in the rare colors.  These shoes are hand made, its easy to get spots on light colors during production...oil from the machines, spots from glue, spots from stains used to color the welts.  All of that has to be factored into the costs.

 

While many consider #8 to be the King of colors, and black a base staple...both of those colors are very forgiving when it comes to covering small defects and color variances.

 

See Ya,

Steve

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Originally Posted by TheSizzle View Post

If their prices weren't 40-50% higher than domestic ones, that might be a good deal, but, like you said, they only come close to US pricing when the discount is factored in.

Edit: It's not even a discount. They just remove the VAT from your purchase, which is standard.

There is VAT deduction and another 20% off, $458 for say this boot: http://tres-bien.com/brand/alden/cap-toe-boot-suede-beige
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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post

It would be interesting to see what the cost of manufacturing is between black/color 8 and the the exotic shells. The exotic colors certainly cost more at retail, so I wonder how much more it costs Alden to manufacture those.

EDIT: I guess this is pretty much the same question you just asked, because once you have the manufacturing costs, you could just compare that to the retail pricing to figure out their margin.

I read somewhere that lighter colors require more perfect skins and shells because darker colors mask some flaws, so, if that's true, production costs might be higher for the lighter colors. As for mark-up on cordovan in general as opposed to calf,I really have no idea, but, all other things being equal, I would expect that Horween's dominance of the market for cordovan leather would put pressure on Alden's margins, depending, I guess, on how much competition Alden has from AE and other makers who rely on Horween. If Carmina competed more aggressively in the US, then consumers would probably benefit on price, though it's also possible that quality would suffer if each competitor cut corners to get prices down. Increasing demand for luxury items often results in a decline in quality.
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