I have the following makeups
BB Unlined 9D Van last. Perfect fit.
Alden LHS lined 9D. fit is loose.
Being loafer they will give some. I just don't want to order a size and five years hence wished I'd gone down a half to my Van Barrie size. I have had many of these in my younger days but have forgotten the correct size. I have one BB sales agent who says go Van in the cordovan as it's larger than the calf makeup. NYC Madison dept., manager who says go TTS. What I don't want is to be racing for a plane and have to be fishing pant legging out of loafers.