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Originally Posted by Papa Doble View Post

What about if you wanted to go from antique to dark brown? I think SFTG had this done on some cigar LWBs? I'd think this would be easier, since there would be no sanding involved.

I have never done it, but I think you are correct.  I accidentally put too much AE chili edge dressing on my cigar LWBs with antique edge and it now looks much darker.  I would think the dark brown dressing would work without the sanding, but couldn't say for sure though.

post #52307 of 122416
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If you do a complete resole, sure,  But my understanding was that top portion of the welt is too difficult to sand and stain.  However, I am no cobbler and I absolutely could be wrong.  I do remember seeing conversion pics on here, I believe, done through B Nelson, and the top portion of the welt was still black.  Can anyone confirm or deny any of this?

It has to be a complete re-sole in order to have the top of the welt changed (spoke to Nick at B. Nelson about this).  He mentioned that sanding the top of an existing welt would fray the stitching.  Hook 'em, Repp!

post #52308 of 122416
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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post

I feel like the pics I saw on Leffot's website of their color 8 LWB with antique edge trim still had a dark welt. So it looked pretty much like if someone had taken a standard 975 and lightened the edges themselves.

EDIT - here's the link, sure looks like a dark welt to me: http://leffot.com/2013/04/04/alden-x-leffot-longwing-color-8-w-antiqued-edge/

 

 

The Leffot website's pic appears that way, but this pic of the same shoe posted here doesn't look like it. (BTW, not my pic or shoes.)

post #52309 of 122416
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Remember though, that converting your 975s to antique edge will not look like the models you mentioned.  The outside edge may be light, but the storm welt (or top portion of that particular edge) will remain black; even an accomplished cobbler can not change that.  To me, conversion isn't worth it.  I'm with SevenFTG on this one.  I like the black edge for color 8.  If you want a blucher or a boot with a dark color shell and antique edge, I'd go with cigar.  If you really like color 8 and the antique edge, I'd buy it just like that from Leffot and not go through the conversion.  Others may disagree with me, but I'm cool with that.

Thank you very much 7FTG, Rtp and the rest of the Alden sages helping me once again to keep things in perspective. As I already have cigar lwb's with the antique edge, there is perhaps no need to make things more complicated for myself. Thanks for saving me either a trip to BNelson or the heartache following a botched DIY attempt.

That said, is there a place to find a Color 8 ptb with antique edging? I'm trying to follow the advice of one of the uncles from a few days ago (maybe Sazon or Alcibiades? Sorry if I'm misquoting) to go for the cigar/color 8 lwb/ptb grand slam. This leads me to a PSA: I just bought lined, Barrie lasted cigar PTBs from Alden of DC. I believe they have some sizes left. Furthermore, they are still taking names for reservations of the ravello lwb expected in ~4 mos.

One last point, and I realize I'm about a week late on this: Kudos to all who posted family pics. Pure Alden porn. You guys have collections to covet. Grails, staples, depth of color, breadth. Just when. I thought it was time to slow down, you guys get my wallet all worked up again. Dear wife and I are gradually moving into our new house, so part of my humble collection is in one zip code and the other is in the new one. Ill try to post pics as soon as the dust settles after the movers leave Monday. Enjoy the rest of the weekend, gents.
post #52310 of 122416

It may be that this Leffot shoe comes with both the dark and light welt with the antique edge.

 

Thanks dslonghorn4; hook'em indeed  icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

post #52311 of 122416

Good luck with the move Doc.  That's my least favorite thing to do EVER!  (moving, that is)

post #52312 of 122416
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The Leffot website's pic appears that way, but this pic of the same shoe posted here doesn't look like it. (BTW, not my pic or shoes.)

Interesting - this definitely looks different than the pic on Leffot's website. This pair clearly looks lighter on the welt compared to their pic which makes it look much darker.
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Originally Posted by docalden2013 View Post

Thank you very much 7FTG, Rtp and the rest of the Alden sages helping me once again to keep things in perspective. As I already have cigar lwb's with the antique edge, there is perhaps no need to make things more complicated for myself. Thanks for saving me either a trip to BNelson or the heartache following a botched DIY attempt.

That said, is there a place to find a Color 8 ptb with antique edging? I'm trying to follow the advice of one of the uncles from a few days ago (maybe Sazon or Alcibiades? Sorry if I'm misquoting) to go for the cigar/color 8 lwb/ptb grand slam. This leads me to a PSA: I just bought lined, Barrie lasted cigar PTBs from Alden of DC. I believe they have some sizes left. Furthermore, they are still taking names for reservations of the ravello lwb expected in ~4 mos.

One last point, and I realize I'm about a week late on this: Kudos to all who posted family pics. Pure Alden porn. You guys have collections to covet. Grails, staples, depth of color, breadth. Just when. I thought it was time to slow down, you guys get my wallet all worked up again. Dear wife and I are gradually moving into our new house, so part of my humble collection is in one zip code and the other is in the new one. Ill try to post pics as soon as the dust settles after the movers leave Monday. Enjoy the rest of the weekend, gents.

I think Leffot also has a color 8 PTB with antique edging.
post #52313 of 122416
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Good luck with the move Doc.  That's my least favorite thing to do EVER!  (moving, that is)

Major +1. Every person I speak with about this move says the same thing.

If ever there was a stressful time necessitating Alden purchases off the record with a Visa Vanilla gift card, this was it. No way to justify the purchase of a ptb when the landscape architect is about to come knocking. Perhaps he'll accept payment in lwb's.
post #52314 of 122416
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Originally Posted by ReppTiePrepster View Post

I have never done it, but I think you are correct.  I accidentally put too much AE chili edge dressing on my cigar LWBs with antique edge and it now looks much darker.  I would think the dark brown dressing would work without the sanding, but couldn't say for sure though.
Just as a point of information and keep in mind I am not recommending this but I have lightened the top of the welt considerably with the very careful use of acetone and a toothbrush . If you are considering this keep in mind I worked 30 yrs as a certified nuclear class pipewelder
post #52315 of 122416
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I can't help with the comfort comparison with Carmina, but all high-end RTW Goodyear-welted shoes use cork foot beds.

 

 

 

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I believe the construction is the same overall. Might be more information on the Carmina website. I'd say there's no difference in comfort, assuming you can find a Carmina last that suits you. They only offer a wide fitting in one or two of their lasts, if width is an issue for you. Good luck.

 

 

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I'd say there's not enough of a difference between them to make any generalizations.

The shell Carminas I have are dressier, single leather sole models so don't really compare to most Alden cordovan models.
Comfort is about the same when comparing Carminas to single leather sole Aldens.
The Carminas are much better finished than Aldens.

I find myself wearing Aldens much more often but that's mainly because they match how I usually dress.
Plus I have about a 10:1 ratio between Alden and Carmina.

 

 

 

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I own 3 pair of Carminas and preordered a 4th pair.
They are very comfortable and lighter in weight when compared to alden.
The narrower lasts make them less casual when compared to alden. Better w suits.
My Carminas get worn less than my alden mainly because I wear more casual than formal.
I wear Carmina w dark denim and dressier ep walts.
My Carminas are more refined. they do straighter stitching and perforations, use identical matching shells, the shoes look more luxe out of the box.
Alden shell ages better w less products and care, my Carmina shell needs more attention than my alden (Reno n wax)
All that being said, I prefer aldens and only use Carmina for styles alden doesn't offer; ruby shell, double monks, loden shell. (I won't mention the pythons)

 

 

 

This is all very helpful. Thanks guys.

 

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Hill: would you be willing to divulge the details of this preorder? I'm looking for some Ravello too.

Alden Madison is accepting pre-orders for a ravello ptb. Full money down with option of refund.

post #52316 of 122416
Some good comments tonight.

To recap .....

There are color 8 models out there that have:

1. dark welt and dark edging (most common)
2. dark welt and antique edging
3. light welt and antique edging

As stated above, the standard 975 with antique edging added after the purchase (but no replacement of welt - which BNelson will do for an additioonal charge) will look like option 2.

I have cigar LWBs that I purchased with light welt and antique edging. I had BNelson darken the welt (without replacing it), but leave the antique edging alone. I then, on my own, intentionally darkened (but only slightly) the edging with AE chili edge dressing. The shoe, IMO, is dressier than it originally was, but is still easily worn casually. I personally have a hard time wearing a dark colored shoe - with a light welt and antique edging - in a professional business environment. It's just too casual for my taste and intended uses. Others may see if differently - no problem.
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This could potentially scratch that itch.

Aberdeen E fitting, it is a beauty.

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Alpine grain Barrie last.  Let me know what you think!

Unipair Guy

post #52319 of 122416
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Remember though, that converting your 975s to antique edge will not look like the models you mentioned.  The outside edge may be light, but the storm welt (or top portion of that particular edge) will remain black; even an accomplished cobbler can not change that.  To me, conversion isn't worth it.  I'm with SevenFTG on this one.  I like the black edge for color 8.  If you want a blucher or a boot with a dark color shell and antique edge, I'd go with cigar.  If you really like color 8 and the antique edge, I'd buy it just like that from Leffot and not go through the conversion.  Others may disagree with me, but I'm cool with that.

Thank you very much 7FTG, Rtp and the rest of the Alden sages helping me once again to keep things in perspective. As I already have cigar lwb's with the antique edge, there is perhaps no need to make things more complicated for myself. Thanks for saving me either a trip to BNelson or the heartache following a botched DIY attempt.

That said, is there a place to find a Color 8 ptb with antique edging? I'm trying to follow the advice of one of the uncles from a few days ago (maybe Sazon or Alcibiades? Sorry if I'm misquoting) to go for the cigar/color 8 lwb/ptb grand slam. This leads me to a PSA: I just bought lined, Barrie lasted cigar PTBs from Alden of DC. I believe they have some sizes left. Furthermore, they are still taking names for reservations of the ravello lwb expected in ~4 mos.

One last point, and I realize I'm about a week late on this: Kudos to all who posted family pics. Pure Alden porn. You guys have collections to covet. Grails, staples, depth of color, breadth. Just when. I thought it was time to slow down, you guys get my wallet all worked up again. Dear wife and I are gradually moving into our new house, so part of my humble collection is in one zip code and the other is in the new one. Ill try to post pics as soon as the dust settles after the movers leave Monday. Enjoy the rest of the weekend, gents.

Try the Bureau in Belfast for an 8 PTB with antique edge..
https://www.thebureaubelfast.com/shop/466/color-8-cordovan-plain-toe-blucher

I seem to recall some of Leffot;s antinque edge trim LWBs came with dark welt rather than a lighter welt.
Like the ones at the Bureau.
https://www.thebureaubelfast.com/shop/32/color-8-cordovan-long-wing-blucher
post #52320 of 122416
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Originally Posted by sevenfoldtieguy View Post

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Some good comments tonight.

To recap .....

There are color 8 models out there that have:

1. dark welt and dark edging (most common)
2. dark welt and antique edging
3. light welt and antique edging

As stated above, the standard 975 with antique edging added after the purchase (but no replacement of welt - which BNelson will do for an additioonal charge) will look like option 2.

I have cigar LWBs that I purchased with light welt and antique edging. I had BNelson darken the welt (without replacing it), but leave the antique edging alone. I then, on my own, intentionally darkened (but only slightly) the edging with AE chili edge dressing. The shoe, IMO, is dressier than it originally was, but is still easily worn casually. I personally have a hard time wearing a dark colored shoe - with a light welt and antique edging - in a professional business environment. It's just too casual for my taste and intended uses. Others may see if differently - no problem.

I know many here prefer antique with cigar, but if I'm able to get a cigar LWB, I will likely do the same thing. I like cigar with antique, and my #8 tanker boots have antique (I think it can work well with #8 boots in particular), but for some reason I have a slight preference for the cigar LWB with medium to dark brown edging -- similar to the C&J for RL Marlows. Here are some of Uncle's:
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cigar lwb
cashmere otc

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