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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

Of course that's an opinion, I stated so myself.  What part of 'as far as I'm concerned'  from my post above did you not understand?

It's also an opinion that so happens to be shared by Horween, the makers of the shell.

I know a lot of people like and swear by Saphir, and no one is doubting that is a good product, but not for the price charged vs. Venetian. Saphir is way over-hyped and definitely over-priced too. 

This is dumb, lets move on, but I haven't seen Horween compare Reno vs Venetian directly. I'm sure Venetian is a great product too, but I am not conducting an obsessive campaign against it.

I think Saphir is worth the money, and others on the thread agree.
post #31007 of 122416
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

This is dumb, lets move on, but I haven't seen Horween compare Reno vs Venetian directly. I'm sure Venetian is a great product too, but I am not conducting an obsessive campaign against it.
I think Saphir is worth the money, and others on the thread agree.


I have tried Venetian, Removateur and Saphir cordovan cream. The latter is the best IMHO and frankly not that dear considering what we pay for shell shoes.
post #31008 of 122416
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post


This is dumb, lets move on, but I haven't seen Horween compare Reno vs Venetian directly. I'm sure Venetian is a great product too, but I am not conducting an obsessive campaign against it.
I think Saphir is worth the money, and others on the thread agree.

 

I'm not asking people to agree with me or not to. You should not just follow the herd though either. Do your own research, etc. 

 

We all make our own decisions about how we want to spend our money, after all. 

 

 

See this SF interview with Nick Horween:

 

http://www.styleforum.net/t/274603/nick-v-interviews-nick-horween-horween-leather/0_60#post_5306467

 

"What are your favorite products to use for the preservation and maintenance of shell cordovan?


My standby is neutral Venetian Cream. C.A. Zoes is a great, old Chicago company and they make great stuff. There are so many different great products out there, though. The Saphir line is also great, and I know there are a million different products that people swear by. Everyone has a slightly different preference, so I always encourage people to use the products that give them the appearance they like."

post #31009 of 122416
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Originally Posted by kolecho View Post

I have tried Venetian, Removateur and Saphir cordovan cream. The latter is the best IMHO and frankly not that dear considering what we pay for shell shoes.

I'm gonna check out this cordovan cream...
post #31010 of 122416
An interesting discussion, but .......... it's time to move on.
post #31011 of 122416
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

This is dumb, lets move on, but I haven't seen Horween compare Reno vs Venetian directly. I'm sure Venetian is a great product too, but I am not conducting an obsessive campaign against it.

I think Saphir is worth the money, and others on the thread agree.

I'm not asking people to agree with me or not to. You should not just follow the herd though either. Do your own research, etc. 

We all make our own decisions about how we want to spend our money, after all. 


See this SF interview with Nick Horween:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/274603/nick-v-interviews-nick-horween-horween-leather/0_60#post_5306467

"What are your favorite products to use for the preservation and maintenance of shell cordovan?

My standby is neutral Venetian Cream. C.A. Zoes is a great, old Chicago company and they make great stuff. There are so many different great products out there, though. The Saphir line is also great, and I know there are a million different products that people swear by. Everyone has a slightly different preference, so I always encourage people to use the products that give them the appearance they like."

Are you this irritating in real life?
post #31012 of 122416
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Are you this irritating in real life?

 

Seriously?

 

I've stated my opinions and backed them up with facts.

 

Don't agree with them if you don't want to, what do I care?

 

It's evident you know there is truth to what I'm saying, or you wouldn't feel the need to try to lash out like you are.

 

Quite childish, and I think you've lost a lot of credibility among those reading. Blocked you. 


Edited by phototristan - 6/24/12 at 8:43pm
post #31013 of 122416
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Originally Posted by zippyh View Post

Are you this irritating in real life?

Seriously?

I've stated my opinions and backed them up with facts.

Don't agree with them if you don't want to, what do I care?

It's evident you know there is truth to what I'm saying, or you wouldn't feel the need to try to lash out like you are.

Quite childish, and I think you've lost a lot of credibility among those reading. 

So I'll take that as a "yes".
post #31014 of 122416

Dammit can we please stop bickering about this? It's been played out enough. Mediahound doesnt prefer Reno, others do. Lets move on please.

post #31015 of 122416
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Nope. That Saphir is more expensive than Venetian is far from an 'opinion'. 

He was referring to your comment about Saphir being "worse performing" being your opinion. I think we all agree about the Venetian being less expensive than Reno. Then again, this is a forum for $700 shoes so saving $10 on a can of shoe cream is not much of a priority for most of us. What I think we care about are products that do a wonderful job of conditioning our expensive shoes and clearly both Venetian and Saphir Reno do that with subtle differences in consistency, smell and end result. Perhaps you can just leave it at that without pounding your fist on the table and loudly proclaiming one product as pure hype and marketing b.s.
post #31016 of 122416
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Being made in the USA may be a positive aspect for you (and me), but it certainly does not make a product worse if the product is produced in France. I like the idea that Venetian is made in the US. That's why I purchased a tin of it. Knowing Saphir was made in France did not make Saphire Reno a "worse" product for me and I purchased that as well.
You do realize the shoes on your feet are the result of a global supply chain don't you? I bet Venetian is made from chemicals that might be sourced from France or some other non-US locale. Those damn frogs! Keep your hands off of our heritage shoe cream.

 

Others should also keep in mind that Horween's shells are apparently sourced from France: http://www.gentlemansgazette.com/cordovan-leather-from-horween/.

post #31017 of 122416
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Nope. That Saphir is more expensive than Venetian is far from an 'opinion'. 

Obviously, he was referencing that you believe it is worse-performing.
post #31018 of 122416
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Others should also keep in mind that Horween's shells are apparently sourced from France: http://www.gentlemansgazette.com/cordovan-leather-from-horween/.

 

Canada and Italy too: http://shoecrafters.com/cart/page.html?chapter=0&id=23

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Alden of Carmel cigar long wings. In addition to the Mac Method and Reno, I rub the creases out with my thumb as soon as I take the shoes off my feet and place them in shoe trees.

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