Yeah I chose the C&J Marlows for that reason. Don't like the sometimes green tone of cigar and the Marlows look a bit dressier as well
Also +1 to all the Alden of Caramel positive experiences. I haven't ordered anything from Adam but he is the quickest to respond to emails and always provides a ton of information. A while ago before I knew my Alden sizing I wanted to pick up a pair of Leydon shoes in normal width. Instead of just selling me the shoes and making some money, he recommended I wait for a similar makeup in an E width or wider last. He also considered a pair of Cigar LWBs seconds since the lacing area did not line up perfectly. Looking at my Alden's now, I should technically have two pairs of seconds by his standards.