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Originally Posted by REguy View Post

^ Don't use cream on shell. See link...
http://www.alden-of-carmel.com/index.cfm/care_of_shell_cordovan.htm

You can use leather conditioner cream on shell such as Venetian Shoe Cream or Saphir Renovateur (both are actually great for shell in moderation), just not cream shoe polish is what Alden recommends not doing.

This however goes against what AE recommends since their own Cordovan shoe polish is a cream based polish, not a wax, and they source their cordovan from the same place Alden does, Horween.

So, I think basically you are probably ok with a shoe cream polish, although a wax polish would probably give you better results. Note, only a tiny amount is needed for shell and probably only like once every 6 months or something.
Edited by phototristan - 1/24/12 at 2:33pm
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#4 Atoms again...I really love these...
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^ Don't use cream on shell. See link...
http://www.alden-of-carmel.com/index.cfm/care_of_shell_cordovan.htm
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

You can use leather conditioner cream on shell such as Venetian Shoe Cream or Saphir Renovateur, just not cream shoe polish is what Alden recommends not doing.
This however goes against what AE recommends since their own Cordovan shoe polish is a cream not a wax, and they source their cordovan from the same place Alden does, Horween.
So, I think basically you are probably ok with a shoe cream polish even.

Mediahound is correct. The reason people advise against cream polishes on shell is simply that shell, being more naturally oily than most leathers, generally requires much less frequent conditioning than say calfskin (calfskin being the primary target of cream polishes). However no harm will come to your shell from using cream polish as opposed to wax polish - the former may just not be as readily accepted by your shell shoes as by your calfskin shoes. On the other hand, I would advise against applying too much pigment or too much wax to shell, period. The rule with shell is always "less product, more buffing"!

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I have a product question -
I've been looking around at local cobblers and repair shops for quality products to care for both my #8 Shell Shortwings as well as my CXL Indys. Saphir isn't super common out here, and have yet to find Venetian Shoe Cream, but have found a few people that swear by "Meltonian" - any experience w/ products? Quality or not? Do I trust such boot & shoe cream on my babies? Thanks for any recommendations or info -
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(I know - mirror image from photo booth)

"Meltonian" the brand is perfectly fine for your standard polishes and creams, in my opinion. Of course I also think Kiwi brand wax polish is perfectly fine for what it is, though many feel otherwise. "Meltonian Leather Lotion", which is not what you are holding in that photo, apparently contains silicone which may cause leather to dry out more in the long run than similar products which do not contain silicone. For pure conditioning I strongly endorse Saphir Renovateur, which can be ordered online from a variety of places, as opposed to cream polish. It is expensive, but a little bit goes a long way - I have barely dented one bottle in just under a year of usage.

Now, how you choose to maintain your shell shoes is a very personal decision. I have settled on a sort of modified Mac Method - some brushing before and after each wear (but less than Mac himself would probably advocate, because I am lazy), Saphir Reno every few months or earlier if needed, no wax polish ever. Others may have different practices. I highly recommend reading the Official Shoe Care Thread in MC:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/228153/the-official-shoe-care-thread-tutorials-photos-etc

It is very long at this point, but chock full of fantastic information.
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Today, Ravello LWB, thanks Mac:

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Mediahound is correct. The reason people advise against cream polishes on shell is simply that shell, being more naturally oily than most leathers, generally requires much less frequent conditioning than say calfskin (calfskin being the primary target of cream polishes). However no harm will come to your shell from using cream polish as opposed to wax polish - the former may just not be as readily accepted by your shell shoes as by your calfskin shoes. On the other hand, I would advise against applying too much pigment or too much wax to shell, period. The rule with shell is always "less product, more buffing"!
"Meltonian" the brand is perfectly fine for your standard polishes and creams, in my opinion. Of course I also think Kiwi brand wax polish is perfectly fine for what it is, though many feel otherwise. "Meltonian Leather Lotion", which is not what you are holding in that photo, apparently contains silicone which may cause leather to dry out more in the long run than similar products which do not contain silicone. For pure conditioning I strongly endorse Saphir Renovateur, which can be ordered online from a variety of places, as opposed to cream polish. It is expensive, but a little bit goes a long way - I have barely dented one bottle in just under a year of usage.
Now, how you choose to maintain your shell shoes is a very personal decision. I have settled on a sort of modified Mac Method - some brushing before and after each wear (but less than Mac himself would probably advocate, because I am lazy), Saphir Reno every few months or earlier if needed, no wax polish ever. Others may have different practices. I highly recommend reading the Official Shoe Care Thread in MC:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/228153/the-official-shoe-care-thread-tutorials-photos-etc
It is very long at this point, but chock full of fantastic information.

Also note that Alden recommends against the use of a neutral polish on shell. This is because it can build up in the folds and and show up as white. I basically never use a neutral polish. Note this is totally different than a neutral leather conditioner of which Venetian and Reno area. Those are good.
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#4 Atoms again...I really love these...
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What last are those on, again? The Tremont? From that angle it looks almost like a chisel toe. Very cool.

 

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Thanks for the replies Mediahound and Mcbrown -

I purchased the Meltonian from my local guy, planning on using it only for calfskin and chromexcel polishing. The photo I supplied is "Boot & Shoe Cream Polish" #170 - Delicate Cream in Natural - I'll limit it to my Natural Indy's, and play w/ it on older shoes to see how it reacts, if it tints, etc.

I have since purchased Saphir Renovateur (for both the shell and CXL) and the Pate de Luxe Wax (in Bordeaux) specifically for use w/ my #8s.

Previous exposure to shoe polishing was to simply brush off the shoe and slather on the Kiwi, so learning that there's a difference between conditioners AND creams AND wax threw me for a loop. Thanks for the recommendations and clarifications. A google doc has since been compiled for future reference smile.gif
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I have seen Alden shoes at the Liquor Store that they didn't have at any other store or online. Last spring they had a version of a navy suede shoe for example.
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#8 LWBs on a sunny day.
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What last are those on, again? The Tremont? From that angle it looks almost like a chisel toe. Very cool.

Yup, I love the last...
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Got my first pair of shells today, #8 captoes. Plan on following the Mac the method, as it seems to be tried and true. Any suggestions on where to buy and which brand for the horsehair brush/wax polish?

A quick follow up question, my other pair are calf LWBs I need shoe conditioner (heard AE conditioner is good) and cream polish right? (Meltonian shoe cream)

Any suggestions for which products to purchase would be much appreciated. I did look through the shoe care thread, but the wealth of info is a little overwhelming for a newbie to shoe care.
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Saphir is pretty much always the recommend for shoe care products because you can't really go wrong, but other brands are fine.

 

I have heard tell that AE's conditioner has a harsher cleaning component (read: it strips more polish) than Saphir's Renovateur, though, and people seem to agree that there's just something magic about Reno that makes it different from any other product. I definitely like what it does to my shoes.

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Originally Posted by NotClever View Post

Saphir is pretty much always the recommend for shoe care products because you can't really go wrong, but other brands are fine.

I have heard tell that AE's conditioner has a harsher cleaning component (read: it strips more polish) than Saphir's Renovateur, though, and people seem to agree that there's just something magic about Reno that makes it different from any other product. I definitely like what it does to my shoes.

Reno is good stuff, albeit expensive. I've compared it to Venetian Shoe Cream and the Venetian can buff to a shine better than Reno which is nice if you are not putting a polish over the conditioner. Basically, I don't think you can go wrong with either as they are both interesting products.

Nick Horwen uses and recommends Venetian Shoe Cream so that's good enough for me!

I've also used the AE conditioner and also like it although I believe it's made more to use prior to applying a polish and I have not tried using it without doing that. It's readily available and quite cheap so certainly has that going for it. The other 2 products can be a bit difficult to find.


Just my 2 cents.
Edited by phototristan - 1/25/12 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by afixedpoint View Post

Got my first pair of shells today, #8 captoes. Plan on following the Mac the method, as it seems to be tried and true. Any suggestions on where to buy and which brand for the horsehair brush/wax polish?
A quick follow up question, my other pair are calf LWBs I need shoe conditioner (heard AE conditioner is good) and cream polish right? (Meltonian shoe cream)
Any suggestions for which products to purchase would be much appreciated. I did look through the shoe care thread, but the wealth of info is a little overwhelming for a newbie to shoe care.

Having just gone through this

Conditioner (shell or calf) - Saphir Renovateur

Shell: Wax
Calf: Cream

Saphir makes the best stuff in both wax and cream, also Alden and AE do both. Kiwi does waxes, Meltonian does creams. Typical recommendations on colored products is lighter shades to maintain, darker to dye. Best to try to match shades exactly. Light and even neutral creams may dye natural leathers anyways, so caution.
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Originally Posted by REguy View Post

^ Don't use cream on shell. See link...
http://www.alden-of-carmel.com/index.cfm/care_of_shell_cordovan.htm

I've used black cream on black shell Aldens with great results. I'm not sure I'd try it on a lighter color, though AE recomends it.
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