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Originally Posted by unclesam099 View Post

I'm having second thoughts about my #8 chukkas. I put them on this morning and either the way the style fits or inconsistency in sizing, but I feel like it was far too big and just doesn't feel right! Should I try to lace them a little tighter? Thicker socks? Or just unload them (brand new, only worn on carpet, not creased - "break-in procedure" only) and get a cigar dress shoe instead?

I had a similar issue when I first received my cigar Chukka's. I had never worn a pair and it was my first cordovan shoe as well. I felt a lot of slippage in the heel area and it seems very loose on my foot. As the cordovan leather softened, the heel slippage became a non-issue. I added tongue pads as well and lace them tightly and they feel very comfortable on my feet.
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Originally Posted by mcbrown View Post

Thank you for insinuating that I haven't "actually looked at shell." I own 12 pairs of shell shoes, mostly from Alden but also a few from C&J. That doesn't make me a big-timer by SF standards, nor do I aspire to be. But I have seen, held, worn and cared for my fair share of them. And of course I see plenty of imperfections in my shoes. They are all of the charming sort - natural grain from the hide, inconsistencies of color, marks from wear, etc. However there is not a single dimple on any of my shoes that I did not put there myself through use. Nor have I ever seen one on photos posted here, or on display at brick and mortar stores including Alden Madison, Leffot, Brooks Brothers and Allen Edmonds. It's just not as common as you seem to imply.
And you're missing my point: even if the hide came with that dimple, that portion of the hide could easily have been used for something less visible than the vamp. It *is* shoddy (or cheap, or lazy) selection of materials to use it for that purpose. Instead of going onto a vamp, that piece could have been cut and used for tongues or other miscellaneous smaller scraps of shell that make their way onto these shoes. Or if they were being creative the dimple could have been hidden under a stitch, at the expense of possibly having to waste a square inch or two of material (horror of horrors).
Your statement regarding the Jaguar is off base. It is more like claiming that just because a 60's Jag is mechanically unreliable I should happily pay full price for one with a major dent on the hood "since it's supposed to be imperfect." Just silly reasoning.
But by all means, if you like the shoe this way, show the current owner a bid. I'm sure for a small premium over retail he'd be happy to make it yours.


Going for the king of the igents Crown? You will have a lot of contenders to dethrone first.but you are well on your way. Do you tell homeless people how they can get a job because you have one--or have had one?
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You guys know he returned the shoes, right? Less bitching about pock marks and their origins and more about how Alden is becoming a member of the 1% with their annual price hikes.
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Originally Posted by WhoKnewI View Post

Is there anyone here who wears half a size larger than their trubalance size in barrie. I am a 8 in trubalance, tried on an 8.5 in barrie today and it feels so much better. I think I'm gonna have to sell my size 8D barrie shoes/boots angry.gif

I am the same 11.5d trubalance ,12d barrier
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Here is my thoughts on the whole Alden increase.... If you look at other shoes company's say tricker or c& j, they are price at 535 and higher for the shoes and that doesn't include cordovan... Some of their boots are 800-900 dollars. So 560 for a boot is not bad and 695 for a cordovan # 8 and 750 for cigar is not bad.. I like Alden's because they are heavy and substantial, you know there on your feet. Do they have quality control issues Fuck Yes!!!! I can vouch for that personally. I have recieved 4 fucked up 403 and 1 pair of jcrew 405 and ptb and #8 cap boot... But I send back and get another one presto... And they are American... I am fucking tired of everything being made overseas it is disgusting... Fun fact in 1950 American exported 20 or 30 million more then we imported... Maybe more and today we import billions more than we export...and I don't understand why... Things only get more expensive because people want to make more money.. Because the price of something doesn't magically go up... Think of this if people weren't so fucking greedy and selfish we could still be making 100 a week drivIng 3000 cars having 3 kids with the wife at home and be living good all on one income..
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Originally Posted by fitchottie View Post

Here is my thoughts on the whole Alden increase.... If you look at other shoes company's say tricker or c& j, they are price at 535 and higher for the shoes and that doesn't include cordovan... Some of their boots are 800-900 dollars. So 560 for a boot is not bad and 695 for a cordovan # 8 and 750 for cigar is not bad.. I like Alden's because they are heavy and substantial, you know there on your feet. Do they have quality control issues Fuck Yes!!!! I can vouch for that personally. I have recieved 4 fucked up 403 and 1 pair of jcrew 405 and ptb and #8 cap boot... But I send back and get another one presto... And they are American... I am fucking tired of everything being made overseas it is disgusting... Fun fact in 1950 American exported 20 or 30 million more then we imported... Maybe more and today we import billions more than we export...and I don't understand why... Things only get more expensive because people want to make more money.. Because the price of something doesn't magically go up... Think of this if people weren't so fucking greedy and selfish we could still be making 100 a week drivIng 3000 cars having 3 kids with the wife at home and be living good all on one income..

This does a great job summing up this thread. All over the place, with a very loose grasp on the facts and and subtextual "I like these shoes an I'm going to buy them, no matter how much shit I have to go through."- And I agree. If you're pissed off by one thing or another, don't buy Alden. As people have stated, Alden won't miss your business since they are already operating over capacity. I think that as long as they keep making the shoes they do and increasing princes ~10%, we'll grin and buy it. There's no point whining. Back to the pictures?
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Not absolutely sure. But I have the impression that AE would accept returns on anything you ordered on their web site, unworn, of course. To be sure, you should inquire customer service.
Just FYI, I am sort of a Barrie 9E, Trubalance 9D. I was sized by the sales associate and we arrived at a 9.5E for the walnut boots.


I wear a 8D on the trubalance, an 8.5D on the barrie and a 9D on AE's 1 last which is what these boots are made on. 

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I don't like how Allen Edmonds does business. They have way too many sales. It becomes a ridiculous idea to buy there shoes are retail. I have seen there cordovan shoes sell on ebay $200 on a consistent basis. And the idea of introducing a new shell color by selling at a discount is absurd. And these boots are being mass produced. I love the fact the Alden's discourages its retailers to have sales on there shoes. I love the fact that Alden's is a "custom" bootmaker. I love that when a buy a custom whiskey make up from leffot, I'm one of 50 in the world that owes those boots. Whereas with the walnut shells, it likely there will be 50 pairs sold at my local retailers alone. 

 

And when Alden comes out with a new shell, that don't promote it at all. Hell, my local alden stockist didn't even know there was cordovan colors aside from black and #8. Alden will sell these select shells to its select customers, who will in turn do the same. Does it piss me off that Leffot didn't tell me about there #4 atoms? Kind of, but not really. I look at it as more of a game. My dream boot would be a #4 wingtip with a commando sole. With Alden, I can dream about my perfect boot, with AE my first response look through the discount bin and see what I can find. 

 

I love Alden's from a customers prospective who likes to stand out from the crowd. From the retailers prospective or a customer who is looking for more brand recognition, Allen Edmonds makes more sense. My local alden stockist is on the verge of dropping Alden altogether. Orders take 9 to 12 months, they aren't told about anything besides that in the sales book, restorations take 6 months and few customers even know who they are. It is much easier to sell someone a pair of Allen Edmonds. They look nearly identical, but AE's are about $150 cheaper and the sales associate actually knows something about them. 

 

In saying all that, I still might buy a pair of the walnut boots. I love the #1 last of Allen edmonds, my leeds fit great. There are cordovan and they are boots. All they are missing is a commando sole and Aldens "custom" details. We'll see. 

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Originally Posted by fitchottie View Post

And they are American... I am fucking tired of everything being made overseas it is disgusting... Fun fact in 1950 American exported 20 or 30 million more then we imported... Maybe more and today we import billions more than we export...and I don't understand why... Things only get more expensive because people want to make more money.. Because the price of something doesn't magically go up... Think of this if people weren't so fucking greedy and selfish we could still be making 100 a week drivIng 3000 cars having 3 kids with the wife at home and be living good all on one income..


amen !

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1) Supply and demand... People are willing to pay a good amount not just for Alden cordovan, but for Indy boots and other Alden shoes. The interest in high end men's shoes has increased significantly, with forums like this contributing. A lot of men are spending a higher percentage of their income on this stuff. Alden would be foolish not to take price increases in this environment. I know Ralph Lauren Darlton's go on sale, but the regular price of their cordovan shoes has gone up probably $150 the past few years to $800. It is what it is.

2) You guys know that Horween (the Chicago tannery that supplies Alden all of its cordovan and a lot of its other leather) imports almost all of its horsehide from France, right? A lot of French farmers/ranchers are eating well of your interest in cordovan. We live in a globalized world, deal with it
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Originally Posted by JPFNY5 View Post

Leffot's new #8 with antique trim. As always, Steven did a fantastic job and I think the antique edge really makes them pop. First wearing for Christmas party. Great time for them!!IMG_1390.jpgIMG_1395.jpg


What a great makeup! Looking sharp & enjoy wearing them.
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Originally Posted by burningbright View Post

You guys know he returned the shoes, right? Less bitching about pock marks and their origins and more about how Alden is becoming a member of the 1% with their annual price hikes.

LOL, right, so this is what qualifies the 1%? If this is even remotely close to what you think your view of the REAL 1% is WAY off. Even some of this forums wealthier members wouldn't qualify as America's 1%.

I'm sure a $50-$60 price increase isn't going to make Alden execs richer, in fact, based on what I see in this thread alone, its probably because more and more people are buying, and then returning their Aldens for "fixing". I think the price increase is directly related to QC, but not in the ways that you may think. I think that they are getting hit hard by having their workers fix their shoes, and in order to make some of that money back, they're charging a bit more. And I'm sure very few here are going to "stop buying Aldens" because of it. These increases are planned meticulously, just enough so that they'll keep the majority of their customers without putting them off. Nowadays, and partly thanks to forums like this, and mens fashion publications (online and print) all the hipsters are now seeing Alden and being sold on Alden for the same reasons any of us love them. Its an old school shoe, made in America, and expensive enough to qualify as cool in those circles. Its no surprise that this thread is in the SW&D forum and not MC, for that very reason.
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Originally Posted by fitchottie View Post

Here is my thoughts on the whole Alden increase.... If you look at other shoes company's say tricker or c& j, they are price at 535 and higher for the shoes and that doesn't include cordovan... Some of their boots are 800-900 dollars. So 560 for a boot is not bad and 695 for a cordovan # 8 and 750 for cigar is not bad.. I like Alden's because they are heavy and substantial, you know there on your feet. Do they have quality control issues Fuck Yes!!!! I can vouch for that personally. I have recieved 4 fucked up 403 and 1 pair of jcrew 405 and ptb and #8 cap boot... But I send back and get another one presto... And they are American... I am fucking tired of everything being made overseas it is disgusting... Fun fact in 1950 American exported 20 or 30 million more then we imported... Maybe more and today we import billions more than we export...and I don't understand why... Things only get more expensive because people want to make more money.. Because the price of something doesn't magically go up... Think of this if people weren't so fucking greedy and selfish we could still be making 100 a week drivIng 3000 cars having 3 kids with the wife at home and be living good all on one income..

fitchottie 2012 - A car in every driveway, a job for every family, and a closet full of Aldens! You've got my vote.
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Originally Posted by nbernie View Post

This does a great job summing up this thread. All over the place, with a very loose grasp on the facts and and subtextual "I like these shoes an I'm going to buy them, no matter how much shit I have to go through."- And I agree. If you're pissed off by one thing or another, don't buy Alden. As people have stated, Alden won't miss your business since they are already operating over capacity. I think that as long as they keep making the shoes they do and increasing princes ~10%, we'll grin and buy it. There's no point whining. Back to the pictures?

Well put. I think people post here hoping Alden execs are reading, in a pitiful attempt to get what they want (no price increases, a 25% discount coupon, a faster recraft). Everytime I've dealt with Alden itself (twice) they have been helpful, courteous, and fast. I sent two shoes back for re-stitching and even though I was out the shipping to Alden, I got the shoes back fixed within a week and a half. I don't understand why people who spend so much on shoes get so pissed about the little things.

Someone mentioned the fact that they are a custom bootmaker. That in my mind, is what makes them so valuable and how they have cornered the market. I love that I can deal with Tom at LS, Mike at Epaulet, or any of the other small B&M stores for "special make-ups". That AlanC boot is fantastic and out of this world, and it was designed by one of us. What other shoe company in the states can offer that? And that's why I'll struggle, why I'll B&S, and scrimp and save, so I can afford to snag one or two pairs of these each year.
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any images of these in the wild?
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That makeup strongly resembles Winn Perry's Cigar PTB from last year.

Here's the Winn Perry version.
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Difference is eyelets? zippy, I admired your collection. Maybe the best here

The eyelets & the welts are different, both great looking makeups. Nice pickup zippyh.
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O/S uncle. That looks like a light edge trim…love 'em.
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