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You should be ostracized and ridiculed for your eminently reasonable views on all this.

Yes, I like Alden a lot and have for quite some time.

But the faddishness of Alden's current place (and cordovan's talismanic status) in fashion confounds me to a degree. To me, it's repurposing and/or re-emergence of Fogey style.
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Yes, I like Alden a lot and have for quite some time.

But the faddishness of Alden's current place (and cordovan's talismanic status) in fashion confounds me to a degree. To me, it's repurposing and/or re-emergence of Fogey style.


Old or New?

 

Steve

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True but that's what QC is for.   Now, don't tell me the QC "human" makes mistakes too and it is okay.  


True

 

The primary issues I've found did not surface until I had worn mine a few times.

 

Steve

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Originally Posted by smoothie1 View Post

Yes, I like Alden a lot and have for quite some time.

But the faddishness of Alden's current place (and cordovan's talismanic status) in fashion confounds me to a degree. To me, it's repurposing and/or re-emergence of Fogey style.


I learn new things everyday but have a long way to go and maybe read this book.
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I learn new things everyday but have a long way to go and maybe read this book.


That's what I'm talking about!

 

Steve

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@Belligero , I'm not sure that I necessarily agree that he was trolling.  There was another dude here over the last couple of weeks that was much more trollish in trying to push people's buttons.  It is "The Official Alden Thread," but regulars here do complain about QC and other issues quite frequently.

 

TBH, belli-G's pics do look like much more wear than a year, but I suppose he may eat, sleep, wrestle alligators, ride motorcycles, etc... in them, who knows.  I have had my Indies (403) for about two years and wear them pretty hard, but they have only gotten even better with increased wear.

 

Oh well, I guess we each have our own experiences.  Cheers and enjoy them often (or not) in great health (or not), my friends...  :lookaround:

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@Belligero , I'm not sure that I necessarily agree that he was trolling.  There was another dude here over the last couple of weeks that was much more trollish in trying to push people's buttons.  It is "The Official Alden Thread," but regulars here do complain about QC and other issues quite frequently.

 

TBH, belli-G's pics do look like much more wear than a year, but I suppose he may eat, sleep, wrestle alligators, ride motorcycles, etc... in them, who knows.  I have had my Indies (403) for about two years and wear them pretty hard, but they have only gotten even better with increased wear.

 

Oh well, I guess we each have our own experiences.  Cheers and enjoy them often (or not) in great health (or not), my friends...  :lookaround:

 

Exactly.  Every so often somebody gets a complete lemon.  That doesn't mean they are all, or even mostly, lemons.  Nor does it mean that lemons don't get made, perhaps more than they should.  In between the rare lemon and the rare perfect product are plenty of imperfect products that are (or are not) made well enough to please, and be suitable for, the buying consumer.  I have had great experiences so far with my Aldens but I don't get too riled up or upset when I see/hear criticism.  I've been fortunate but many do seem to get pairs with flaws I'd be upset and disappointed with.  I don't put too much stock in my uniformly positive experiences or the uniformly negative experiences of others.

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  I don't put too much stock in my uniformly positive experiences or the uniformly negative experiences of others.

You should go read the Oak St thread. That thing was downright nasty for awhile 

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You should go read the Oak St thread. That thing was downright nasty for awhile 
Oh yes. I was subscribed and wound up unsubscribing.
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My pleasure.

The main issues are these ones:



Loose stitching from new, with obvious rework in the two rows of holes perforated. The original stitching failed during a visit to Budapest, so I had them repaired in the city. The hasty-but-strong repair work is done in the darker thread, and the extra row of misaligned perforations from the factory is visible in this zone. The stitching was starting to fall apart in other places as well, but I stopped wearing them before they failed too because of this....




Not long after this repair, the heel detached from the upper, giving me about ten months of of wear in total before they became unwearable. My RM Williams boots, cordovan Vass brogues, and Koronya boots have endured far rougher treatment for far longer (four to five years in regular rotation so far) and have not had any problems.

Aside from the crappy stitching and heel fall-apart, they also arrived with a few gouges in the cordovan in the ankle area. The boots weren't that great to wear: they always seemed a bit dumpy-looking and leaked like mad, so I didn't miss them much after the heel separated. Because of this, I haven't bothered to send them back for repair even after three years.

Alden uses quality cordovan, but in my case, they turned it into a rather clunky, sloppily-made, and not-particularly-durable product. I'm not too fussed about cosmetic issues, but getting less than year of wear out of a $700 pair of boots does bother me somewhat. It seems that their quality control isn't keeping pace with the demand. Best of luck to those who received decently-made examples, but that certainly wasn't my experience.

Looks like you had a pretty terrible experience. I can attest to Alden quality... I have my Grandfather's Tasselloafers from 2004, still on original sole and heel. Never any issues. I've never babied them because they are pretty roughed up on the uppers. While they aren't pretty anymore and are ready for a full resole, their structural integrity is by no means compromised. I wear them harder than my boots, honestly.

Now you have a decent argument for the handmade aspect, but comparing Alden to Aldo kinda throws it out the window and just makes you look foolish. There has to be different definitions of "handmade". Of course, how strictly/loosely you define this term is yor own opinion. To me, having to use artisan's hand, thus being DEPENDENT on those hands and their ability, dictates being handmade. The stitching is done by hand by running it through a machine. The clicking is done by hand on a press. The welting, the trimming, the finish, the eyelets... Done by a person. With ASSISTANCE from a machine. Could you stitch an upper, using a machine even? Probably not. It takes skill. I know I couldn't. So take it for what it is.

You had a bad experience. Alden probably would have made it right, but you neglected to give them that opportunity. A poster had a bad resole job from a fairly trusted shop a few days ago and we all told them it looked awful. Instead of exposing the shop's name for screwing up, they posted that they would seek reparations and report back with the identity of something were to go sour. We need more people like that. Also, I would like to point out that you are the one who initially bought a rather clunky, sloppily-made, and not-particularly-durable product (your words, not mine)... Perhaps you should use better judgement in the future.
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Now you have a decent argument for the handmade aspect, but comparing Alden to Aldo kinda throws it out the window and just makes you look foolish. There has to be different definitions of "handmade". Of course, how strictly/loosely you define this term is yor own opinion. To me, having to use artisan's hand, thus being DEPENDENT on those hands and their ability, dictates being handmade. The stitching is done by hand by running it through a machine. The clicking is done by hand on a press. The welting, the trimming, the finish, the eyelets... Done by a person. With ASSISTANCE from a machine. Could you stitch an upper, using a machine even? Probably not. It takes skill. I know I couldn't. So take it for what it is.

Agreed with 99% of what you said, except for the highlighted part. If a press is being used, I wouldn't call that hand-clicked. I reserve that term for when a human traces a blade (by hand) around the leather. 

 

Super nitpicky, but that's why we're on a fashion forum, no?

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i'm assuming a few of you copped the latest Alden offerings from Roden Gray? I like



Bynes CXL Blucher



Deighton CXL work boot
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white suede saddles + white ankles

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Agreed with 99% of what you said, except for the highlighted part. If a press is being used, I wouldn't call that hand-clicked. I reserve that term for when a human traces a blade (by hand) around the leather. 

Super nitpicky, but that's why we're on a fashion forum, no?
I can respect that. I guess I consider it "hand" grade because they actually trace the clicking shapes to hides before they to any press work. Granted I can see your point also. Obviously you can't "click" leather without a press, but yes they could cut it all by hand. I see no benefit to being hand cut over clicking. Clicking is more uniform and saves them a lot of time = money = savings for us (maybe?). Aside from the novelty of being "hand cut" I'm cool with the clicking!

You nailed it, at the end of the day we are all here to discuss and share! None of us would be here if we didn't have some crazy standards over our clothing and shoes.
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