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Originally Posted by RobinM View Post

I would be interested in seeing some pictures, seriously.

Handmade or not, is not really the issue.  Quality control is.  

My pleasure.

The main issues are these ones:



Loose stitching from new, with obvious rework in the two rows of holes perforated. The original stitching failed during a visit to Budapest, so I had them repaired in the city. The hasty-but-strong repair work is done in the darker thread, and the extra row of misaligned perforations from the factory is visible in this zone. The stitching was starting to fall apart in other places as well, but I stopped wearing them before they failed too because of this....




Not long after this repair, the heel detached from the upper, giving me about ten months of of wear in total before they became unwearable. My RM Williams boots, cordovan Vass brogues, and Koronya boots have endured far rougher treatment for far longer (four to five years in regular rotation so far) and have not had any problems.

Aside from the crappy stitching and heel fall-apart, they also arrived with a few gouges in the cordovan in the ankle area. The boots weren't that great to wear: they always seemed a bit dumpy-looking and leaked like mad, so I didn't miss them much after the heel separated. Because of this, I haven't bothered to send them back for repair even after three years.

Alden uses quality cordovan, but in my case, they turned it into a rather clunky, sloppily-made, and not-particularly-durable product. I'm not too fussed about cosmetic issues, but getting less than year of wear out of a $700 pair of boots does bother me somewhat. It seems that their quality control isn't keeping pace with the demand. Best of luck to those who received decently-made examples, but that certainly wasn't my experience.
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wouldn't matter anyway...he is Canadian

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Stop teasing! I want one. Is there a mission I can partake in?




Unless you have the super rare secret decoder ring and password...then???????????????


Steve
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


My pleasure.

The main issues are these ones:
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Loose stitching from new, with obvious rework in the two rows of holes perforated. The original stitching failed during a visit to Budapest, so I had them repaired in the city. The hasty-but-strong repair work is done in the darker thread, and the extra row of misaligned perforations from the factory is visible in this zone. The stitching was starting to fall apart in other places as well, but I stopped wearing them before they failed too because of this....




Not long after this repair, the heel detached from the upper, giving me about ten months of of wear in total before they became unwearable. My RM Williams boots, cordovan Vass brogues, and Koronya boots have endured far rougher treatment for far longer (four to five years in regular rotation so far) and have not had any problems.

Aside from the crappy stitching and heel fall-apart, they also arrived with a few gouges in the cordovan in the ankle area. The boots weren't that great to wear: they always seemed a bit dumpy-looking and leaked like mad, so I didn't miss them much after the heel separated. Because of this, I haven't bothered to send them back for repair even after three years.

Alden uses quality cordovan, but in my case, they turned it into a rather clunky, sloppily-made, and not-particularly-durable product. I'm not too fussed about cosmetic issues, but getting less than year of wear out of a $700 pair of boots does bother me somewhat. It seems that their quality control isn't keeping pace with the demand. Best of luck to those who received decently-made examples, but that certainly wasn't my experience.

So let me get this straight. Showing us pics of 100 year old boots that look like they haven't had an ounce of maintenance is supposed to prove Alden's QC issues??? 

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And speaking of WT Boots on commando
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My pithy general observation on this morning's brouhaha, cutting in both directions, is that anecdotes, while not necessarily invalid, do not equate to data.  Take that as you will.  Thank you.

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^^ i need a pair of #8 WT Boots

Today I have my boobie tassels on

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So let me get this straight. Showing us pics of 100 year old boots that look like they haven't had an ounce of maintenance is supposed to prove Alden's QC issues??? 

Obviously. Hasn't this convinced you?
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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post

So let me get this straight. Showing us pics of 100 year old boots that look like they haven't had an ounce of maintenance is supposed to prove Alden's QC issues??? 

Please explain how loose, weak, defective and misaligned stitching is a maintenance issue. Also, how is it that not a single pair of Vass, RM Williams and Koronya that I own has exhibited similar issues, despite enduring four to five times more wearing time under the same conditions?

The four-year-old RMWs were one of two pairs of shoes I brought for eighteen days in South America earlier this month. No problems hiking, riding horses, bikes and motorcycles with them in the Andes, and they polished up just fine for the city later on.

The Aldens were purchased in 2010 and have been gathering dust and getting knocked around the garage space that they've been occupying since the heel fell off in 2011, so it shouldn't be surprising that they don't look pristine. Regardless, I buy boots of this type to wear, not to baby. The whole point of cordovan is to be that it's supposed to be tough, and it is when it's made properly. My cordovan Vass shoes and boots have proven to be essentially indestructible. Unfortunately, the Indys have been the least-durable pair of boots I've yet owned.
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Originally Posted by HenryIII View Post

And speaking of WT Boots on commando
 

I need a pair of WT boots as well.  Who makes color 8 with a leather soul?

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Originally Posted by lifeinabox View Post
 

I need a pair of WT boots as well.  Who makes color 8 with a leather soul?

 

TSM:

 

http://www.theshoemart.com/alden-mens-9-eyelet-wing-tip-boot-shell-cordovan-color-8/pvc-ald-mxsbd-4461h_ald_m_9_eyelet_wing_tip_boot_shell_cordovan.html

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


My pleasure.

The main issues are these ones:



Loose stitching from new, with obvious rework in the two rows of holes perforated. The original stitching failed during a visit to Budapest, so I had them repaired in the city. The hasty-but-strong repair work is done in the darker thread, and the extra row of misaligned perforations from the factory is visible in this zone. The stitching was starting to fall apart in other places as well, but I stopped wearing them before they failed too because of this....




Not long after this repair, the heel detached from the upper, giving me about ten months of of wear in total before they became unwearable. My RM Williams boots, cordovan Vass brogues, and Koronya boots have endured far rougher treatment for far longer (four to five years in regular rotation so far) and have not had any problems.

Aside from the crappy stitching and heel fall-apart, they also arrived with a few gouges in the cordovan in the ankle area. The boots weren't that great to wear: they always seemed a bit dumpy-looking and leaked like mad, so I didn't miss them much after the heel separated. Because of this, I haven't bothered to send them back for repair even after three years.

Alden uses quality cordovan, but in my case, they turned it into a rather clunky, sloppily-made, and not-particularly-durable product. I'm not too fussed about cosmetic issues, but getting less than year of wear out of a $700 pair of boots does bother me somewhat. It seems that their quality control isn't keeping pace with the demand. Best of luck to those who received decently-made examples, but that certainly wasn't my experience.


I own way too many Aldens for it to not be an obsession.  I've never seen the heel come loose like that, if it had I would have contacted the retailer where I bought the shoe/boot and asked for support.  I would have done that whether it was less than 1 year old or several years old. Since you state you got less than 1 year of wear; I'm surprised you did not attempt to get anything done with a $700 boot!  I've had a few issues with my Alden's and they have always made things right for me.

 

Keeping price in mind...I've not found any brand better than Alden in the same price range.  No doubt there are better shoes available, some totally hand made...but there's a price to pay for that, and that's why so many brands exist and why most high end stores that sell men's footwear offer multiple brands to fulfill all price points.  I don't own any shoes that cost over $1,000, but I own custom made cowboy boots and for true hand made custom cowboy boots it takes in most cases 2-3 years to get them once you've been measured, and entry level for basic cow hide starts at $1,500.  You get into a exotic hide like ostrich and its another $1,500,  Alligator belly is $8,000!  That's without any fancy top work.  My point being is regardless of price, if humans are involved mistakes will be made.  I'm more interested in what gets done to make things right?  So far Alden has not let me down.

 

Steve

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


My pleasure.

The main issues are these ones:



Loose stitching from new, with obvious rework in the two rows of holes perforated. The original stitching failed during a visit to Budapest, so I had them repaired in the city. The hasty-but-strong repair work is done in the darker thread, and the extra row of misaligned perforations from the factory is visible in this zone. The stitching was starting to fall apart in other places as well, but I stopped wearing them before they failed too because of this....
 

 

Personally, I have experienced similar loose stitchings in two pairs of boots and one pair of shoes.  It is a common "problem", as I remember seeing a few complains over the past few years on this thread.   In almost all instances, Alden considered that a defect and restitched free of charge for the customers (not easy for oversea customers).

 

I don't have any experience with detached heel stacks, but I assume that is not inconceivable for a boot with 270 degree welt.  I bet it won't happen as easily to a boot with 360 reversed welt though.

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