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Hey guys, figured I'd shed some light on this. While the TB last is most definitely the default for most Indy boots, we still can't really make the assumption and be safe. I will remind everyone that the J. Crew burnished tan Indy on crepe is shaped over the Barrie last. I (like most of you) never would have guessed that, but there was quite a few of them listed on TSM 2nds lists. TSM specified last. I also inquired and they confirmed.

As far as TB vs Barrie sizing goes. I feel pretty comfortable going 7.5D across the board. My J.Crew PCT are a 8D, but that's my own sizing error and I'm willing to just live with it, as it's not major. I feel like the TB boot is meant to be roomy in the toe. It's a work boot and has a much more orthopedic focus. The forefoot and toes need to be able to really spread for true foot health. I think we get pretty used to wanting to compress our foot to the max while still maintaining some comfort. There is a reason true orthopedic shoes look like potatoes... Beauty isn't particularly comfortable.

Edit: jcrew burnished tan indy is not on Barrie last

Appreciate the info and clarification ross. I do understand that the sizing is the same but I think your explanation nailed it for me. I've never been much of an Indy guy and I think it's more due to the Trubalance last. As you indicate, it's a last with more of an orthopedic look/feel to it. This whole situation came about because I'm sizing down and I've sold four color 8's over the past month. I'm not replacing all four but plan on replacing 2. I think I got in on the Context tanker madness which leaves room for 1, and I thought the jcrew Indy would be a great beater boot at that price. I also knew that as soon as news of the price hit SF, they would be gone in an hour so I didn't have time to think about it (especially in my size). Being on back order has given me time to appropriately research and I'm just not sure the look is for me. If I pull the trigger on one of the EBAY listings I'm considering, I'll likely cancel the jcrew order.

Oh well, as another poster once said "first world problems". Again, thanks for the response.
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lol, about 3 months ago I wouldn't know what "first world problems" referred to.  Now my family's favorite phrase is "Here's a full cup, take the lid..." 

 

more snow so more ocd cleaning the boots.  Still amazed that the leather sole doesn't wipe me out in snow.  As long as there's no ice, these boots do great.

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. I will say that, that will not impact the performance of the

Remember these are hand made shoes, designed to last you many years. Alden does not skip out on many production steps that many others do, even though it introduces more cost and little short term benefit, but a long term benefit to the shoe's longevity. Many other manufacturers will "lean" that process out of their production to save cost. Also, since these are hand made shoes, they are going to have SOME imperfections. That is just the nature of hand-made shoes. Unfortunately, if you want perfect shoes, you need to buy a shoe made via automated processes... Just some food for thought...

Since you seem to be a self styled expert, perhaps you could share exactly what aspect of Alden shoes are actually hand made? Hand lasted? Nope. Hand welted? Nope. Hand sewn? A tiny bit of decorative stitching on the toes, but nothing else. Let's not pretend these are handmade in any meaningful way, like Vass or St Crispin's. Alden makes nice machine made shoes, with somewhat shoddy QC.
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You seem like a real positive contributor
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You seem like a real positive contributor

Indeed. Positive with a huge willingness to entertain BS being passed off to people who don't know better.
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Originally Posted by brp2 View Post

Thanks all who responded regarding TB / Barrie sizing.  It's good to know that I'm not the only one that Barrie = TB doesn't work for.  It's just such a standard point that I needed to check. 

And speaking of TB, my well-worn natty CXL Indys got some use today: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
AppleMark

I find that the TruBalance last is easily the most "comfy" of the lasts I own. Barrie and Grant look much better if you're looking for more sleek but the comfort for me goes down significantly. I think it's because I have a narrow heel and a wide toe area. The Barrie heel is too lose for me, the Grant heel is fine but toe box is a little tight. I have skinny/boney feet and that doesn't help either as I measure right between a C and D width on the brannock.

The Modified and TruBalance last are both so comfortable because they're part of the orthopedic lasts. The Trubalance for me is a great casual boot with some selvedge.

You may need to spend some time dialing in sizing on each last like I do. I need to spend some time with @mdubs. I think his solution of going to a b-width and .5 size longer on the Barrie might be the ticket!

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Since you seem to be a self styled expert, perhaps you could share exactly what aspect of Alden shoes are actually hand made? Hand lasted? Nope. Hand welted? Nope. Hand sewn? A tiny bit of decorative stitching on the toes, but nothing else. Let's not pretend these are handmade in any meaningful way, like Vass or St Crispin's. Alden makes nice machine made shoes, with somewhat shoddy QC.

Happy Saturday morning! I think we all can agree with Alden QC, but you're not going to make friends in this thread throwing mud on Alden as a whole or arguing with mdubs.

Alden does still hand-stitch shell indy boots. They still place the steel shank in and hand fill hot cork. They still have someone operating every machine and working with their hands. It's not a fully automated process like most shoes if you walk into a DSW for example. You can watch multiple YouTube videos to see the assembly process. They put enough effort into them in my opinion to earn the hand-made in the USA seal for me.

Yes, you can buy $1500 boots from another maker that are even further hand-made and with better QC. Personally, I've yet to find a bookmaker that I like their aesthetics as much as Alden. I like the Vass P2 WT boot, I really like the C&J Lindrick boot, I can't personally get into Saint Crispins at all. I just still put that in my "want" pile below a Cigar Alden WT boot.
Edited by chrisefi - 3/21/15 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by rosslovethreads View Post

I think the most likely explanation is that the sweet folks over at TSM were simply overwhelmed during that whole 2nds list season and made a mistake on the listing of the last. Which is what I assumed when I first saw that they were listed as Barrie, hence the further iquiry. I thought it too good to be true; however, when they assured me they were on Barrie I believed them. Guess I just wanted it to be true so badly...

It is also possible that the ones listed on TSM were; in fact, lasted over the Barrie, but weren't for J. Crew. I kind of remember the model number matching up with the J.Crew one, though. Also, I cannot think of anyone else selling a burnished tan Indy on crepe.

Super nice folks at TSM indeed. That said, even the owners can have a boot in their hand, that they designed, and not know what last the boot is built on.
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Indeed. Positive with a huge willingness to entertain BS being passed off to people who don't know better.


Happy Saturday.

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Indeed. Positive with a huge willingness to entertain BS being passed off to people who don't know better.

I certainly don't share the opinion that your contributions aren't positive and I've got no interest in lecturing you. I would just point out that just because someone has a different viewpoint, or even one that you know to be incorrect, it doesn't make it BS. From where I sit, you seem to be quite knowledgable and my guess is that there are many like me who visit this site in part to benefit from that knowledge.

The one thing I've noticed is that your comments can sometimes appear to be personal. If you can avoid that, I think you'll enjoy the community. And we all benefit from your knowledge. Hope you stick around.
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Originally Posted by chrisefi View Post

I find that the TruBalance last is easily the most "comfy" of the lasts I own. Barrie and Grant look much better if you're looking for more sleek but the comfort for me goes down significantly. I think it's because I have a narrow heel and a wide toe area. The Barrie heel is too lose for me, the Grant heel is fine but toe box is a little tight. I have skinny/boney feet and that doesn't help either as I measure right between a C and D width on the brannock. My feet are flat as well.

The Modified and TruBalance last are both so comfortable because they're part of the orthopedic lasts. The Trubalance for me is a great casual boot with some selvedge.

You may need to spend some time dialing in sizing on each last like I do. I need to spend some time with @mdubs. I think his solution of going to a b-width and .5 size longer on the Barrie might be the ticket!
Happy Saturday morning! I think we all can agree with Alden QC, but you're not going to make friends in this thread throwing mud on Alden as a whole or arguing with mdubs.

Alden does still hand-stitch shell indy boots. They still place the steel shank in and hand fill hot cork. They still have someone operating every machine and working with their hands. It's not a fully automated process like most shoes if you walk into a DSW for example. You can watch multiple YouTube videos to see the assembly process. They put enough effort into them in my opinion to earn the hand-made in the USA seal for me.

Yes, you can buy $1500 boots from another maker that are even further hand-made and with better QC. Personally, I've yet to find a bookmaker that I like their aesthetics as much as Alden. I like the Vass P2 WT boot, I really like the C&J Lindrick boot, I can't personally get into Saint Crispins at all. I just still put that in my "want" pile below a Cigar Alden WT boot.

Chris, I echo all of your comments regarding the TB last, no need for me to rehash smile.gif My only pair of Alden's at this point are the Indy Snuff Suede, size 8.5D. They fit great, although my lace spacing is quite close when laced up, which is mainly due to my skinny ankles. I wonder if a C width would work better? Not sure I want to open that can of worms, LOL! I have a pair of Leather Soul Ultimate Indys on preorder. I tried on a pair of Leather Soul choc tankers. I wasn't digging the fit of the Barrie last, so they went right back.

By the way, we have the same foot makeup...skinny/boney and measure in between C and D width on the brannock, which makes shoe fitting very difficult. My feet are flat as well. And then we get thrown the curve ball with all the different Alden lasts.

Doesn't Alden hand stitch the LHS Penny loafer models?
Edited by walds11 - 3/21/15 at 7:23am
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Not sleeping yet, but don't have a pair...

LOL! 

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Nice NST Bluchers. I have a pair in Black Shell in production at the moment. I am excitedly anticipating their arrival. Thank you for helping build up my excitement!

 

 

 

-Mike

mdubs, thanks! Your  black shell NSTs should be awesome!  Reminds me of some leather soul black shell that I had briefly (me and the Aberdeen last don't go well together).

 

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Indeed. Positive with a huge willingness to entertain BS being passed off to people who don't know better.

Hey you go Joe, here is how the shoes are made, no reason to pass your BS as gospel for those who don't "know any better"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNYbOMVV0Us
post #106574 of 122416
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Originally Posted by walds11 View Post

Chris, I echo all of your comments regarding the TB last, no need for me to rehash smile.gif My only pair of Alden's at this point are the Indy Snuff Suede, size 8.5D. They fit great, although my lace spacing is quite close when laced up, which is mainly due to my skinny ankles. I wonder if a C width would work better? Not sure I want to open that can of worms, LOL! I have a pair of Leather Soul Ultimate Indys on preorder. I tried on a pair of Leather Soul choc tankers. I wasn't digging the fit of the Barrie last, so they went right back.

By the way, we have the same foot makeup...skinny/boney and measure in between C and D width on the brannock, which makes shoe fitting very difficult. My feet are flat as well. And then we get thrown the curve ball with all the different Alden lasts.

Doesn't Alden hand stitch the LHS Penny loafer models?

We are on the same page! I was thinking of converting completely over to C-width. It means that I'd have to pre/special order most makeups but I'd be okay with that I think. In boots, D width works fine on most lasts but shoes that won't work.

If you ever plan on heading to Sherman Bros or somewhere local to solve the Alden last problems we're having, let me know!
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We are on the same page! I was thinking of converting completely over to C-width. It means that I'd have to pre/special order most makeups but I'd be okay with that I think. In boots, D width works fine on most lasts but shoes that won't work.

If you ever plan on heading to Sherman Bros or somewhere local to solve the Alden last problems we're having, let me know!

Sherman Bros. will probably tell you "Oh no...Alden hasn't done C width in years... Here, look at our list for C widths"  LMAO

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