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post #103726 of 122416
@inn8chiro any update pics on the conversion?
post #103727 of 122416
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Originally Posted by zennypoo View Post

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Originally Posted by katch View Post

I guess nobody's down for the 88 Tanker

I'd be down for that make up, if a vendor is willing to make it =).

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Originally Posted by BenLeaman View Post

May I ask, what is the 88 Tanker?

I believe he's talking about the color 8 tanker with antique edge and brass eyelets, the final product of inno8chiro's conversion project.

-D

That is the exact makeup I want
post #103728 of 122416
Gentlemen ,
I currently have #8 lwb and have so fallen in love with the model that I want one in every shade and material available. Unfortunately I am a very common foot size (8d) . Need your advice on best strategy to acquire onein rare shells.
post #103729 of 122416
PSA:
Seems like ShoeMart has gotten a Whiskey LWB shipment. Most common sizes available when I write this.

http://www.theshoemart.com/alden-mens_long_wing_blucher_shell_cordovan_color_8/pv-ald-975_ald_m_long_wing_blucher_shell_cordovan.html
post #103730 of 122416
Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyB View Post

PSA:
Seems like ShoeMart has gotten a Whiskey LWB shipment. Most common sizes available when I write this.

http://www.theshoemart.com/alden-mens_long_wing_blucher_shell_cordovan_color_8/pv-ald-975_ald_m_long_wing_blucher_shell_cordovan.html

Again? Didnt they get a shipment in just a few months back?
post #103731 of 122416
So is Reno bad for conditioning/nourishing the shell, as it didn't absorb well? Or is it just that it didn't perform up to speed with the rest?
post #103732 of 122416
Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyB View Post

PSA:
Seems like ShoeMart has gotten a Whiskey LWB shipment. Most common sizes available when I write this.

http://www.theshoemart.com/alden-mens_long_wing_blucher_shell_cordovan_color_8/pv-ald-975_ald_m_long_wing_blucher_shell_cordovan.html

Wow they even have 13D, I already have, hope one of the big foots cops!

See Ya,
Steve
post #103733 of 122416
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye Nation View Post

OK Gentlemen, since I started this - I wanted to take a few minutes to post a thorough response; to do that I needed to get the kids to bed... so here we go.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
>> Insert the usual BS disclaimer here so nobody gets their feeling hurt; additionally YMMV <<

Disclosure - I have quite a few Aldens, almost all shell, in mostly rare colors, my preference is boots.  I don't post much but am connected to the board and a few regulars; I spend my days close to a 80 year old master leather crafter, we talk leather, a lot and he knows his stuff.  

The shell is a natural Horween shell, that came to me from Horween directly - it is the real deal and the same stuff our shoes are made of.  Despite what you make have heard about the "Alden Finish" - it looks remarkably like the "Horween Finish".  That is, there is no visual distinction between the glossy sheen of this shell, and any of my Alden shoes boots.  An acrylic semi permeable finsh has been applied to this shell, just like our Alden shoes.

On my boots I use mostly Saphir products, but own a lot of stuff.  On Whiskey or Ravello I use VSC or Renovateur (I will refer to this as Reno from this point forward), and on #8, Cigar and Black I use the corresponding Saphir Cordovan color.  What also may come as a shock, 1-2x per year I use Saphir Dubbin Graisse on all flex point of my cordovan shoes and boots, all colors.  This is, IMO, the best nourishing creme I have applied, I use is regularly in everything.  I use is almost exclusively on my CXL boots...

I have burnished my whiskey shoes (toes and heels) using multiple combinations of what I have.  So, going into this discussion I already had a good feel for what does darken and what does not darken our Whiskey Shell Cordovan.

So the product line up - what was what?




This picture was taken after five minutes or so of applying all the products.

So what worked best?  Well, depends on how how we define "worked".  


How does it absorb - let's define this as which product penetrated the surface quickly and did not simply push around the surface of the shell.

The Best - Saphir 1925, this is a shea butter based creme and it penetrated quickly and the color was spot on.
Almost As Good - VSC and Saphir Fawn
The Worst - Saphir Reno - this stuff really just pushed around the surface and didn't penetrate the leather like I expected it to.  I was shock at this actually, there is a reason it is the big blob.


What Was Left Behind - Quit simply, after a brushing and a buff, could you see a film?

Excellent - VSC, Saphir Fawn, Alden Tan - after buffing these three, there was no detectable film where they were applied.
Not Good - Saphir 1925, not really made for this product, but what it left behind will take some serious effort to remove.
Surprise of the Group - Saphir Reno.  This left a film on the shell, and dulled it where it was applied.  I was a bit shocked by this, honestly; I was expecting VSC to do this, but it simply was not the case - tough to photo, but this shows what it looks like.  





Discoloration - What product left a visible change in the shell after buffing and 10 hours of sitting.

Only one - Alden Tan.  This is the stuff, IMO, to avoid if you don't want your whiskey shell to darken.  Pretty much exactly what I recalled from my burnishing project last year.

The picture color is off because the pictures are taken with indoor lighting and a different camera.







My Summary:

Of the products tested, only Alden Tan left a discoloration (darkening) on the Shell.

Saphir Cordovan Fawn is perfectly fine to use on Whiskey Shell, Saphir Natural Cordovan Creme would be better to ensure no changes.

VSC, despite smelling like a chemical factory and leaving a nasty film on your fingers does look like it does a better job than I expected...

Saphir Reno - it is now out of my Shell rotation.


So what will my regime for Whiskey and Ravello shell be?

Saphir Netural Cordovan Creme, VSC at times, and Saphir Dubbin Grasse on the parts of the boot / shoe that flex; applied 1-2x per year.
Cheers,
BN

Sir, Thank you so much for this!
post #103734 of 122416
^^^
+1, thanks BN!
post #103735 of 122416
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye Nation View Post
  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

OK Gentlemen, since I started this - I wanted to take a few minutes to post a thorough response; to do that I needed to get the kids to bed... so here we go.

 

>> Insert the usual BS disclaimer here so nobody gets their feeling hurt; additionally YMMV <<

 

Disclosure - I have quite a few Aldens, almost all shell, in mostly rare colors, my preference is boots.  I don't post much but am connected to the board and a few regulars; I spend my days close to a 80 year old master leather crafter, we talk leather, a lot and he knows his stuff.

 

The shell is a natural Horween shell, that came to me from Horween directly - it is the real deal and the same stuff our shoes are made of.  Despite what you make have heard about the "Alden Finish" - it looks remarkably like the "Horween Finish".  That is, there is no visual distinction between the glossy sheen of this shell, and any of my Alden shoes boots.  An acrylic semi permeable finsh has been applied to this shell, just like our Alden shoes.

 

On my boots I use mostly Saphir products, but own a lot of stuff.  On Whiskey or Ravello I use VSC or Renovateur (I will refer to this as Reno from this point forward), and on #8, Cigar and Black I use the corresponding Saphir Cordovan color.  What also may come as a shock, 1-2x per year I use Saphir Dubbin Graisse on all flex point of my cordovan shoes and boots, all colors.  This is, IMO, the best nourishing creme I have applied, I use is regularly in everything.  I use is almost exclusively on my CXL boots...

 

I have burnished my whiskey shoes (toes and heels) using multiple combinations of what I have.  So, going into this discussion I already had a good feel for what does darken and what does not darken our Whiskey Shell Cordovan.

 

So the product line up - what was what?

 

 

This picture was taken after five minutes or so of applying all the products.

 

So what worked best?  Well, depends on how how we define "worked".

 

 

How does it absorb - let's define this as which product penetrated the surface quickly and did not simply push around the surface of the shell.

 

The Best - Saphir 1925, this is a shea butter based creme and it penetrated quickly and the color was spot on.

Almost As Good - VSC and Saphir Fawn

The Worst - Saphir Reno - this stuff really just pushed around the surface and didn't penetrate the leather like I expected it to.  I was shock at this actually, there is a reason it is the big blob.

 

 

What Was Left Behind - Quit simply, after a brushing and a buff, could you see a film?

 

Excellent - VSC, Saphir Fawn, Alden Tan - after buffing these three, there was no detectable film where they were applied.

Not Good - Saphir 1925, not really made for this product, but what it left behind will take some serious effort to remove.

Surprise of the Group - Saphir Reno.  This left a film on the shell, and dulled it where it was applied.  I was a bit shocked by this, honestly; I was expecting VSC to do this, but it simply was not the case - tough to photo, but this shows what it looks like.

 

 

 

Discoloration - What product left a visible change in the shell after buffing and 10 hours of sitting.

 

Only one - Alden Tan.  This is the stuff, IMO, to avoid if you don't want your whiskey shell to darken.  Pretty much exactly what I recalled from my burnishing project last year.

 

The picture color is off because the pictures are taken with indoor lighting and a different camera.

 

 

 

My Summary:

 

Of the products tested, only Alden Tan left a discoloration (darkening) on the Shell.

 

Saphir Cordovan Fawn is perfectly fine to use on Whiskey Shell, Saphir Natural Cordovan Creme would be better to ensure no changes.

 

VSC, despite smelling like a chemical factory and leaving a nasty film on your fingers does look like it does a better job than I expected...

 

Saphir Reno - it is now out of my Shell rotation.

 

 

So what will my regime for Whiskey and Ravello shell be?

 

Saphir Netural Cordovan Creme, VSC at times, and Saphir Dubbin Grasse on the parts of the boot / shoe that flex; applied 1-2x per year.

 

Cheers,

BN

@Buckeye Nation Thanks so much for doing this man. This is an awesome write up.

 

Im really surprised by the results of Reno and will likely switch up the things I apply to my shell boots ASAP.

post #103736 of 122416
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye Nation View Post
  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

OK Gentlemen, since I started this - I wanted to take a few minutes to post a thorough response; to do that I needed to get the kids to bed... so here we go.

 

>> Insert the usual BS disclaimer here so nobody gets their feeling hurt; additionally YMMV <<

 

Disclosure - I have quite a few Aldens, almost all shell, in mostly rare colors, my preference is boots.  I don't post much but am connected to the board and a few regulars; I spend my days close to a 80 year old master leather crafter, we talk leather, a lot and he knows his stuff.  

 

The shell is a natural Horween shell, that came to me from Horween directly - it is the real deal and the same stuff our shoes are made of.  Despite what you make have heard about the "Alden Finish" - it looks remarkably like the "Horween Finish".  That is, there is no visual distinction between the glossy sheen of this shell, and any of my Alden shoes boots.  An acrylic semi permeable finsh has been applied to this shell, just like our Alden shoes.

 

On my boots I use mostly Saphir products, but own a lot of stuff.  On Whiskey or Ravello I use VSC or Renovateur (I will refer to this as Reno from this point forward), and on #8, Cigar and Black I use the corresponding Saphir Cordovan color.  What also may come as a shock, 1-2x per year I use Saphir Dubbin Graisse on all flex point of my cordovan shoes and boots, all colors.  This is, IMO, the best nourishing creme I have applied, I use is regularly in everything.  I use is almost exclusively on my CXL boots...

 

I have burnished my whiskey shoes (toes and heels) using multiple combinations of what I have.  So, going into this discussion I already had a good feel for what does darken and what does not darken our Whiskey Shell Cordovan.

 

So the product line up - what was what?

 

 

This picture was taken after five minutes or so of applying all the products.

 

So what worked best?  Well, depends on how how we define "worked".  

 

 

How does it absorb - let's define this as which product penetrated the surface quickly and did not simply push around the surface of the shell.

 

The Best - Saphir 1925, this is a shea butter based creme and it penetrated quickly and the color was spot on.

Almost As Good - VSC and Saphir Fawn

The Worst - Saphir Reno - this stuff really just pushed around the surface and didn't penetrate the leather like I expected it to.  I was shock at this actually, there is a reason it is the big blob.

 

 

What Was Left Behind - Quit simply, after a brushing and a buff, could you see a film?

 

Excellent - VSC, Saphir Fawn, Alden Tan - after buffing these three, there was no detectable film where they were applied.

Not Good - Saphir 1925, not really made for this product, but what it left behind will take some serious effort to remove.

Surprise of the Group - Saphir Reno.  This left a film on the shell, and dulled it where it was applied.  I was a bit shocked by this, honestly; I was expecting VSC to do this, but it simply was not the case - tough to photo, but this shows what it looks like.  

 

 

 

Discoloration - What product left a visible change in the shell after buffing and 10 hours of sitting.

 

Only one - Alden Tan.  This is the stuff, IMO, to avoid if you don't want your whiskey shell to darken.  Pretty much exactly what I recalled from my burnishing project last year.

 

The picture color is off because the pictures are taken with indoor lighting and a different camera.

 

 

 

My Summary:

 

Of the products tested, only Alden Tan left a discoloration (darkening) on the Shell.

 

Saphir Cordovan Fawn is perfectly fine to use on Whiskey Shell, Saphir Natural Cordovan Creme would be better to ensure no changes.

 

VSC, despite smelling like a chemical factory and leaving a nasty film on your fingers does look like it does a better job than I expected...

 

Saphir Reno - it is now out of my Shell rotation.

 

 

So what will my regime for Whiskey and Ravello shell be?

 

Saphir Netural Cordovan Creme, VSC at times, and Saphir Dubbin Grasse on the parts of the boot / shoe that flex; applied 1-2x per year.

 

 

Cheers,

BN

 

 

Thank you so much for the input BN!!

post #103737 of 122416
Quote:
Originally Posted by jch7149 View Post

So is Reno bad for conditioning/nourishing the shell, as it didn't absorb well? Or is it just that it didn't perform up to speed with the rest?

Come on man.... Hhahahaja
post #103738 of 122416
Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyB View Post

PSA:
Seems like ShoeMart has gotten a Whiskey LWB shipment. Most common sizes available when I write this.

http://www.theshoemart.com/alden-mens_long_wing_blucher_shell_cordovan_color_8/pv-ald-975_ald_m_long_wing_blucher_shell_cordovan.html

 

Well I was ready to grab the tan suede lwb from leffot, but this may change things

post #103739 of 122416
Quote:
Originally Posted by tanbar View Post
 

 

Well I was ready to grab the tan suede lwb from leffot, but this may change things

If your a size 8, please buy them before I cave.

post #103740 of 122416
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye Nation View Post

OK Gentlemen, since I started this - I wanted to take a few minutes to post a thorough response; to do that I needed to get the kids to bed... so here we go.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
>> Insert the usual BS disclaimer here so nobody gets their feeling hurt; additionally YMMV <<

Disclosure - I have quite a few Aldens, almost all shell, in mostly rare colors, my preference is boots.  I don't post much but am connected to the board and a few regulars; I spend my days close to a 80 year old master leather crafter, we talk leather, a lot and he knows his stuff.  

The shell is a natural Horween shell, that came to me from Horween directly - it is the real deal and the same stuff our shoes are made of.  Despite what you make have heard about the "Alden Finish" - it looks remarkably like the "Horween Finish".  That is, there is no visual distinction between the glossy sheen of this shell, and any of my Alden shoes boots.  An acrylic semi permeable finsh has been applied to this shell, just like our Alden shoes.

On my boots I use mostly Saphir products, but own a lot of stuff.  On Whiskey or Ravello I use VSC or Renovateur (I will refer to this as Reno from this point forward), and on #8, Cigar and Black I use the corresponding Saphir Cordovan color.  What also may come as a shock, 1-2x per year I use Saphir Dubbin Graisse on all flex point of my cordovan shoes and boots, all colors.  This is, IMO, the best nourishing creme I have applied, I use is regularly in everything.  I use is almost exclusively on my CXL boots...

I have burnished my whiskey shoes (toes and heels) using multiple combinations of what I have.  So, going into this discussion I already had a good feel for what does darken and what does not darken our Whiskey Shell Cordovan.

So the product line up - what was what?




This picture was taken after five minutes or so of applying all the products.

So what worked best?  Well, depends on how how we define "worked".  


How does it absorb - let's define this as which product penetrated the surface quickly and did not simply push around the surface of the shell.

The Best - Saphir 1925, this is a shea butter based creme and it penetrated quickly and the color was spot on.
Almost As Good - VSC and Saphir Fawn
The Worst - Saphir Reno - this stuff really just pushed around the surface and didn't penetrate the leather like I expected it to.  I was shock at this actually, there is a reason it is the big blob.


What Was Left Behind - Quit simply, after a brushing and a buff, could you see a film?

Excellent - VSC, Saphir Fawn, Alden Tan - after buffing these three, there was no detectable film where they were applied.
Not Good - Saphir 1925, not really made for this product, but what it left behind will take some serious effort to remove.
Surprise of the Group - Saphir Reno.  This left a film on the shell, and dulled it where it was applied.  I was a bit shocked by this, honestly; I was expecting VSC to do this, but it simply was not the case - tough to photo, but this shows what it looks like.  





Discoloration - What product left a visible change in the shell after buffing and 10 hours of sitting.

Only one - Alden Tan.  This is the stuff, IMO, to avoid if you don't want your whiskey shell to darken.  Pretty much exactly what I recalled from my burnishing project last year.

The picture color is off because the pictures are taken with indoor lighting and a different camera.







My Summary:

Of the products tested, only Alden Tan left a discoloration (darkening) on the Shell.

Saphir Cordovan Fawn is perfectly fine to use on Whiskey Shell, Saphir Natural Cordovan Creme would be better to ensure no changes.

VSC, despite smelling like a chemical factory and leaving a nasty film on your fingers does look like it does a better job than I expected...

Saphir Reno - it is now out of my Shell rotation.


So what will my regime for Whiskey and Ravello shell be?

Saphir Netural Cordovan Creme, VSC at times, and Saphir Dubbin Grasse on the parts of the boot / shoe that flex; applied 1-2x per year.


Cheers,
BN

Great post.
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