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post #76 of 132
I don't see why so many people have problems with chinos and casual pants. (By the way, they are called chinos, not khakis - khaki is just one possible colour of chinos, such as olive, stone, oak, navy, etc) A well made (and well pressed) pair of cuffed chinos can look quite presentable with a light silk/tweed blazer and loafers. Living in sweltering Hong Kong, months go by when I don't feel like wearing anything else but cotton and linen, unless I absolutely have to. Indeed, you'd get laughed at (and strange looks) if you showed up at the Hong Kong Yacht Club Bistro in a full wool suit (even a Super 150s high-twist) in the middle of our 80-90-plus degree and 80% humidity summers that last 8-9 months of the year. If you don't like RTW chinos (and some of them, like the Ralph Lauren Andrew Chino, can be a bit too heavy for August in Hong Kong), have Chan or Jantzen make you up a few pairs in the same style as your favourite suit pants. There's some silk/linen blends by Holland & Sherry that would make very fine chinos.
post #77 of 132
Thread Starter 
drizz - I agree. Poor old Hamilton. He was really a brilliant man also. We owe our modern free-market economy to him. It's a shame he was shot at such a young age.
post #78 of 132
Hamilton should have spent a little less time swilling beer and a little more time practicing his marksmanship though...
good point
post #79 of 132
I used to wear khakis a bit, but I got totally sick of the khakis and sport shirt business casual uniform that was so prevalent at technology companies in the late 90s, I can't remember the last time I've worn them, I tend to always wear charcoal or black trousers to work when I haven't been wearing a suit...
I also hate khakis and refuse to wear them.  They are anathema to everything I stand for.
I hate khakis also... not just dislike, hate. They are the epitome of boring.
I tend to think of khakis as work pants--not office work, but hauling topsoil to the garden, changing the car's oil, painting the baby's room kind of pants.
they suck, plain and simple : ugly, unfashionable.
You guys sure you want to buy something from someone so stylishly out of it....I wear some form of chino's, "khakis", whatever you would like to call them everyday, I also wear polo golf shirts or mock-neck shirts everyday to work as well...not to be out done when I on the occasion will have a date night with my wife, believe it or not we do know how to dress up just a little in the south, with the exception that sometimes we forget our socks, damn things, I guess we still have a long way to come...but man, a topic about a style of pants has riddled itself into deep discussions about everything from sure shot aim, bar tabs, to, wow,  haberdashery, wow, and just to think all because of one little question, Can someone please explain khakis?, What is the deal with them?
I can't believe this thread got this big...
be careful, at 35, I never pictured myself in the burbs, having lived in some vibrant and exciting cities. 3 years later, here I am, mowing a lawn.....
One day everyone will be in the burbs mowing thier lawn....and wearing probably khakis....what a twist. Edit with a question, how many of you "Khaki" haters were frat boys?
post #80 of 132
When I was in the third world, living out of a backpack, I always packed a pair of cotton, khaki-colored slacks and a pair of charcoal fleece pants. The former were comfortable, fine for the hot climates, and easy to clean, whereas the latter I used for high elevations, or when the tropics turned unexpectedly cold. All utility. Anymore my khakis are for after-work, weekends, when I don't want my nice clothing ruined. For me, for work and play, my choice of clothing is 90% of the time about utility.
post #81 of 132
Do you hate khakis more than communism or fascism?
I say this out of genuine surprise and not out of a desire to ratchet up the ad hominem factor here, but that's an awfully strange question for someone with your avatar to ask.
post #82 of 132
LP - While I too am an admirer of the founding fathers, I did not mean to turn this into a political discussion. I just don't believe that the best examples of Franklin's greatness were found during his time in France, but rather in his other accomplishments. I'm glad that you can feel good about yourself while walking around the city in your wool pants, looking down on the street people (crackheads), dry cleaners (asians) and especially those small-town accountants driving minivans - unless of course you want to get a beer with them so you can feel superior. Honestly though, I hope that you are using the anonymity of the internet to play a role, because if this is truly the way you are in real life, I feel sorry for you. Bradford
post #83 of 132
I understand Ben Franklin loved wearing khakis with his fur cap....
post #84 of 132
You see, people have tried to come up with some alternatives to the easy-maintenance khakis... but then you end up with polyester-blend Haggars.
post #85 of 132
Horace- I own both the M1 and M2 Bills, and enjoy both. The M2 is less full through the legs, and the leg hole by the foot is less wide. They also have a shorter rise than the M1. The M1 are very high waisted, with very wide legs and have a bigger leg opening. I have come to like the M1s more over time. Always flat front though, they seem to look better on me.
post #86 of 132
Thread Starter 
I'm glad that you can feel good about yourself while walking around the city in your wool pants, looking down on the street people (crackheads), dry cleaners (asians) and especially those small-town accountants driving minivans - unless of course you want to get a beer with them so you can feel superior. Honestly though, I hope that you are using the anonymity of the internet to play a role, because if this is truly the way you are in real life, I feel sorry for you.
First, I was joking about accountants as drinking partners, and as a former geek, I have many accounting jokes, as I do geek jokes. It's funny that you take offense, every accountant I have worked with had his share of geek or management jokes, and we had great fun harassing each other with them. My sense of humor can be overly crass and dry at times, but come on, do you seriously believe that I actually literally hate accountants? That is ludicrous. Second, when did I ever put down Asians? I just don't understand where you come off with the whole anti-Asian thing. My description of the dry-cleaner was added for color, and is accurate for the region in which I live. Does it make me racist that I note that the majority of dry-cleaners in my area are Asian? Come on. Get a grip. Are you really so sensitive that any mention of race immediately incurs some form of racial discrimination or prejudice? If you are looking to paint me as a racist, you're going to have to look elsewhere, pal. About crackheads, I have no idea what you're trying to get at. Do I think I'm better than crackheads? What the hell is that even supposed to mean? And when did I ever say anything to imply that? The entire idea that you are implying is just totally one-dimensional and absurd. I'm not even sure where to begin with it. Mostly, I think "crackheads" are people with drug addiction, and generally mental health, issues so severe that they have become completely disenfranchised. How is anything related to that topic simple enough to summarize on an internet bulletin board? And how could my feelings about the problem, to which I have been exposed my entire life, possibly be condensed into such simple dialogue. You have no idea, and your glaring ignorance about the topic becomes quite evident in your attempt to oversimplify it, and glean some form of emotional context from my words that were just completely not present. As for the burbs and its minivans, the exact reasons I actually DO hate it (and the chinos everyone wears there, which to me have become the 'burban uniform) are the very things you are trying to paint on my character. Racial prejudice? Get a f**king clue pal, I happen to live in an urban area where ethnic diversity is more than a fashion statement, and I prefer it that way. However, take a drive through your typical burb, and you will get an upclose and personal look at 21st Century racial discrimination - where non-WASP whites, blacks, asians, etc are allowed to be WASP, but only that. Let me ask you something: How many synagogues are in your burb? How many mosques? How many ESL businessmen and entrepreneurs? Do you even know what ESL means? How many authentic Ethiopian (a personal fave), Somalian, Phakistani, Vietnamese, or Ukranian restaurants are within walking distance of your home? How many Bosnian theater groups, or independent Albanian film-maker/documentarians? How many of your neighbors have lived in America less than 10 years? The fact that I prefer the city, and you prefer the burbs, speaks for itself. Urban areas are a mecca of bustling micro-economies, full of ethnic diversity and rich with character. It is beautiful, I love it, it is my personal Babel, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. The cultural differences between myself and other citizens of my urban home is something I celebrate, that I LOVE, that gives me endless energy and adds infinitely to my own personal character, helping me define myself, who I am, what I like, and so on. The very diversity so present in urban environments allows us to discover our truly unique selves, and celebrate that uniqueness without fear of offending another. That was the entire point of my statement, however, I wouldn't expect you to understand because you are obviously a suburbanite. Only suburbanites become OFFENDED when you celebrate diversity. Only suburbanites are AFRAID of cultural uniqueness, and the beautiful freedom of being able to truly express oneself. That is why they choose to live in the burbs: where everyone drives the same cars, eats the same foods, wears the same clothes, goes to the same churches and worships the same god, feels the same emotions (or lack thereof, due to overusage of antidepressants), listens to the same music and has the same feelings about it, watches the same television shows and has the same conversations, I could go on ad infinitum. It disgusts me completely. And yes, I do see myself as better than these people, these WASP suburbanites (regardless of their skin color or nation of origin) as more alive and less afraid. And I do operate with that mindset, with a very strong hatred of suburbia and all that it stands for, as do the majority of urban people that I know. And if there is one thing that every urbanite I know just completely hates, it's when some racist WASP burbanite spouts off with their self-righteous offense whenever someone around them says anything regarding race, culture, politics, or any other subject which requires one to take a stand, or makes note of the fact, in some trivial way, that we are all different and unique. Because that is anathema to burbanites. And that is why they are anathema to urban culture, which is all about the beauty of being "unique" and the celebration of that.
post #87 of 132
I'm of two minds about this. I've spent most of my life living in an almost equal split between cities and suburbs. I've enjoyed both, and currently live in a fairly suburban area (Newport Beach, CA) while I've lived in such cities as Boston, New York, LA (if it counts), Taipei, and Vienna. I have enjoyed my time in both but have chosen the suburbs lately because of the quality of life, safety, and availability of resources... I will elaborate more a bit later.
post #88 of 132
[quote=linux_pro,Feb. 11 2005,13:00][quote]quote] There are shitheads in the city. There are shitheads in the suburbs. You paint with too broad a brush. I would love to live in the city itself, however space is at a premium, and therefore rents and property values rise.  I could afford to live there, but I would be compromising my own personal safety and sacrificing a number of amenities which I have come to rely on in order to do so, as I could not afford to live in a decent area. EDIT: edited for brevity.
post #89 of 132
It seem as though linux_pro has had a terrible experience in burbia. Were you dragged through down town burbia by the feet, behind some great big SUV and had khaki juice dripped all over you. I think you ought to think hard about type-casting others and respect that the choice of ones surroundings is personal choice. As I stated before " Hate is a powerful word" and you have exemplified exactly my point. Maybe you should try dislike in your vocabulary, it's more honorable.
post #90 of 132
Second, when did I ever put down Asians?  I just don't understand where you come off with the whole anti-Asian thing.  My description of the dry-cleaner was added for color, and is accurate for the region in which I live.  
LP, You seem like a good guy, and I share your preference of the city over the suburbs.  That said, your description of your dry cleaner as a "shifty-looking asian" was an unfortunate ethnic stereotype akin to "greasy italian," "smelly mexican" or "lazy black."  I take you at your word that you meant no offense, but I can't fault Bradford for reacting the way he did. Now let's get back to discussing khakis.
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