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post #31 of 46
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LA Guy : Yes, Jil Sander suits are "straight" cut, with less waist suppression than Costume National, or Dolce & Gabbana. (At least the pre-prada ones, with one centered vent). I found the jil sander pants to be a little tight though, I have to add half an inch at the waist to be comfortable. We are probably lucky to fit reasonably well into these clothes. I have no jil sander shirts, the ones which are really tight are Helmut's. Weird, a 46 EU HL suit will be just fine (I even fit into a 44) but everything else from HL at 46 is quite tight, including a 46 denim jacket in which I can barely move my arms... (I had a thick merinos pullover when I tried this one on though). You have to love these department stores during the sales where you can freely snatch any clothes off the rack and try them on mercilessly to check sizing for future yoox deals .luc
post #32 of 46
Luc, Back to your original post. I think you've jumped to completely the wrong conclusions (not surprising given your Frenchness.): - Slim fitting obsession: Most off the rack items in the US are baggy and shapeless. Especially shirts and jackets. What is "slim" to us is normal (i.e. properly fitting) to an Italian or even Englishman. - Good bargain obsession: Personally, I love a good bargain. But I agree with you that NOTHING is a good bargain unless it fits. Because if it doesn't fit, I know I won't wear it, and it will languish in my closet. Where I disagree with you is that it IS possible to find bargains that actually fit. Like Alias, I generally go bespoke on business suits and shirts (the most difficult items to fit) but bargain hunt on items like shoes, belts, etc. that are more standardized. I also pay attention to what manufacturers fit me well out of the box and look for those bargains. For example, it just so happens (randomly) that flat front Banana Republic pants tend to look GREAT on me out of the box. They go on sale a few times a year. I buy them at that time. They generally have my size even though it is uncommon (33" waist, 34" leg) because they are so big. - Ralph Lauren Purple Label obsession: I don't think there is any particular attraction here to RLPL. I think we recognize that RLPL generally is a certain quality. You see it come up a lot, however, because RLPL seems to show up ALL THE TIME at a discount, as much or more than any other major luxury brand. And the RLPL item we probably all desire the most isn't even RLPL at all -- it is Edward Green shoes, simply rebranded RLPL. Montecristo
post #33 of 46
I don't see why RLPL deserves your scorn - last I checked, the suits are St. Andrews, shoes are Edward Green and the shirts are Lorenzini. Everything is simply rebranded RLPL. I guess enough has already been said about the "slim-fit" issue so I won't rant on that. Panzer
post #34 of 46
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I've been lurking on this forum for a little while, as well as posting on AA which seems a little more conservative. Here are my thoughts... The "slim fitting" obsession : this must be an american thing, where all your clothes over there have to be cut for big people. The urgent need you have to show everyone else that you are thin by wearing tight clothes strikes me as a very woman-like behaviour. But again, if I were surrounded by fat people (read : poor white trash), I would probably also feel the need to show how fitted I am (being able to afford luxury clothes, nice fresh food & vegetables...etc). The good bargain obsession : closely related to the precedent, bargain hunting for luxury clothes you cannot afford at the real price drives to buying one size smaller, bigger ...etc Having this clothes massively retailored to fit you drives to ill-fitting silhouette. Accept your body as it is, if you can't afford a Dior Homme suit, don't buy one instead of snatching one from ebay at discount which doesn't even fit you well. The Ralph Lauren Purple Label obsession : this one speaks for itself. Come on, ultra tight shirt where you can't even move your arms with a double pleated white pants and a tie folded into the waistband ??? Who would even think dressing like such a clown ? It's a bit trollish I admit. Feel free to flame. .Luc
Suit = A RTW suit can never fit well, so it is normal to tailor it. Dior is far away to be the state-of-the art (Faconnable makes better suits for cheaper for exemple). You seem to have the same behaviour with Dior as American with Polo... Bargain = When I find a bargain,  I can buy 4/5 items in the same time. So if I can pay 5 times the sales price, I can buy once or 2 the retail price. Conclusion = I do not buy during sales because  I have no enough money to pay full price but because only a fool would buy full price when he can easily have 50% off? And even if I was rich, I wouldn't buy the full price. Not being able to pay 1 200 euros for each of your suits, 500 euros for each of your cachemire jumper, 90 euros for each of your ties... doesn't seem to be so shamefull anyway... Finding the best deal is like a sport, only a smart guy can find true bargains (50% off and more on good quality goods). So it is a proof of intelligence. That is true = we buy sometimes things we do not really like or need just because this is a bargain. This might be a mistake. If I was living with fat people, I wouldn't need to be slim. Being just normal would make me look slim.
post #35 of 46
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If I was living with fat people, I wouldn't need to be slim. Being just normal would make me look slim.
Of course. We've been so blind.
post #36 of 46
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Suit = A RTW suit can never fit well, so it is normal to tailor it. Dior is far away to be the state-of-the art (Faconnable makes better suits for cheaper for exemple).
Sorry, but I don't buy the whole "quinzième" or "Assas" look associated with Façonnable. Though, to be perfectly honest, I have never appraised the quality.
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You seem to have the same behaviour with Dior as American with Polo...
Not really. Hedi's clothes make me think of these kids I was in high school with in the mid-80s.
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Finding the best deal is like a sport, only a smart guy can find true bargains (50% off and more on good quality goods). So it is a proof of intelligence.
Yeah, whatever. I think it's just a matter of having a lot of time to spend. I don't condemn bargain hunting when you can actually try the clothes on, feel the quality or the fabric. However, going for the same kind of deals on ebay is another story...
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And even if I was rich, I wouldn't buy the full price.
if I *were* ... Damn, what did they teach you during english classes at these wonderful french public schools ? .luc
post #37 of 46
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Finding the best deal is like a sport, only a smart guy can find true bargains (50% off and more on good quality goods). So it is a proof of intelligence. Yeah, whatever. I think it's just a matter of having a lot of time to spend.
Very true. Especially when one works 10+ hours a day
post #38 of 46
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Well I've dropped 30 pounds recently so I'm having to replace or alter many garments that are now more 'slim fitting' ...And if anyone says that is womanly of me then I will promptly slap the hell out of them with my purse.
You go Carlo, I as well have lost a lot of weight, and also must alter or re-buy many outfits that I wish were fitiing today, after 70 lbs, it is often quite hard to alter the clothes, but I also want to for once in my life feel thin and look thin, though I do not buy clothes tight, I still prefer to allow my obsession to look thinner predict the style of clotjing I choose now. It is nice to have the option, and egos aside from everything, isn't it every persons civic duty and resposibility to look good? besdies, if it was not for this trait in the humans ego system would we need a Style Forum to debate fashion and what does and does not look appropriate for business etc?
post #39 of 46
The creator of Faconnable was a tailor so Faconnable has a tailoring tradition and is not just a brand making the tasteless colored checked shirts that you may be talking about. Many black guys wear these shirts and they are not from Assas or from the 15th... Have a look at the Albert Goldberg line and you will see quality is very good (full convas suit, sea island shirts, nice cashmere...) and that the prices may be too high for most of people your are talking about (often at the same level as Dior). The good news = If you know where to go and are lucky you can make some very good deals during sales on these items. I do not care about what other people wear (be them from Assas) and yet I would be surprised if they were wearing full convass suits or braces like I do. Instead of spending your time on this board you could be hunting bargains so having time is also just a matter of choice. When you know where to go you do not need so much time anymore afterwards. I agree with you, I wouldn't buy something i do not see and try. All my purchases are made in shops. One  problem in French schools = teachers do not know how to teach = when a kid is learning a foreign language, the teacher will spend most of the time teaching grammar and telling him "this is not have but have got", " you forgot a s" " you added a letter" instead of leting the kid talking. At the end the kid dare not speak anymore. You are a good victim of this system of thoughts.   I guess that "if I was"  is used in every day language. Am I wrong ? English is only my second language at school and I didn't learn it at University (1h30 tous les 15 jours en TD en licence pendant 1 semestre.) so I have not your mastery... My first was german and the third was russian. What languages did you learn at school? Luc emmanuel sounds like an "Assas name", isn't it?
post #40 of 46
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What is "Assas" in this context?
A University (which has the reputation of being a university of middle class fachists)
post #41 of 46
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Sorry, but I don't buy the whole "quinzième" or "Assas" look associated with Façonnable. Though, to be perfectly honest, I have never appraised the quality.
What do you mean by Assas look? or 15eme?
post #42 of 46
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Suit = A RTW suit can never fit well, so it is normal to tailor it. Dior is far away to be the state-of-the art (Faconnable makes better suits for cheaper for exemple).
I remember when faconnable first came to the States. You couldn't pay me to wear it. Maybe it was just the stuff coming into the US and didn't represent their entire line.
post #43 of 46
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Well, I'm really french. Can't you tell from my impeccable grammar and spelling ? .luc
I still don't believe you're French. And if you were French, E. is still my favorite Frenchman after Jerry Lewis.
post #44 of 46
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A University (which has the reputation of being a university of middle class fachists)
What is the whole thing with this university ? This is not the first time I hear that but have never understood the reasons of such an assertion. Ernest, could you elabore ?
post #45 of 46
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A University (which has the reputation of being a university of middle class fachists)
What is the whole thing with this university ? This is not the first time I hear that but have never understood the reasons of such an assertion. Ernest, could you elabore ?
I didn't study in this University so I can just repeat what people say about it. In this University you can find a student "party" which is violent and racist and involved in many fights. In other University, you do not have such a "party". Most of University have a socialist or communist ideas.
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