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Thing is I crossed shopped all the way down to a Ford Explorer, and if I could have gotten the Explorer at the price I wanted, I might well have ended up with it but the delta was too small to make it worth driving vs. the one I picked (in my estimation.)

But why an SUV at all? Do you off-road? Even if you do, the vast majority are no longer designed for off-roading anyway (including the GL and Explorer). Need for all-wheel drive for inclement weather? There are plenty of more efficient sedan and wagon options. Do you need the extra room and capacity? Then a wagon or minivan would have made more sense. Looking for comfort? A sedan would have been at least as comfortable, with better ride quality. Obviously, fuel economy, performance or driving dynamics were not priorities, as there really can be no worse choice than an SUV in those regards.

I can almost guarantee the only reason you or anybody ultimate buys a luxury SUV, like the GL, is image. Even leadership at companies like BMW, Porsche, etc., have bemoaned the fact they have to build so many SUVs, as they could make better cars if not for mainstream demand for them.
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But why an SUV at all? Do you off-road? Even if you do, the vast majority are no longer designed for off-roading anyway (including the GL and Explorer). Need for all-wheel drive for inclement weather? There are plenty of more efficient sedan and wagon options. Do you need the extra room and capacity? Then a wagon or minivan would have made more sense. Looking for comfort? A sedan would have been at least as comfortable, with better ride quality. Obviously, fuel economy, performance or driving dynamics were not priorities, as there really can be no worse choice than an SUV in those regards.

I can almost guarantee the only reason you or anybody ultimate buys a luxury SUV, like the GL, is image. Even leadership at companies like BMW, Porsche, etc., have bemoaned the fact they have to build so many SUVs, as they could make better cars if not for mainstream demand for them.
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Everyone keeps bemoaning this conversation is ongoing yet everyone keeps posting to me. Is it my part to let everyone take their final stab at me and not reply to anyone? confused.gif

Also, a hint here: you speak of room and point to a very roomy vehicle as being an equal answer to an SUV. You speak of comfort and point to a sedan as being an equal or better answer. You pick an attribute and compare said attribute to vehicles that specialize in the attribute under examination and find the SUV wanting or only equal to the alternate vehicle. It's like we're talking about athletes and I said Bruce Lee was an inferior athlete because so and so could run faster than him or so and so could lift more weights. Sometimes the sum of the parts need to be looked at vs. dissecting each part and finding that particular part wanting because a superior example of it can be found in isolation.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Also, a hint here: you speak of room and point to a very roomy vehicle as being an equal answer to an SUV. You speak of comfort and point to a sedan as being an equal or better answer. You pick an attribute and compare said attribute to vehicles that specialize in the attribute under examination and find the SUV wanting or only equal to the alternate vehicle. It's like we're talking about athletes and I said Bruce Lee was an inferior athlete because so and so could run faster than him or so and so could lift more weights. Sometimes the sum of the parts need to be looked at vs. dissecting each part and finding that particular part wanting because a superior example of it can be found in isolation.

But it is not a sum-of-the-parts issue. Versus a four-wheel drive wagon, for example, what precisely is the advantage of an SUV if you are not off-roading?
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But it is not a sum-of-the-parts issue. Versus a four-wheel drive wagon, for example, what precisely is the advantage of an SUV if you are not off-roading?

I cannot think of a four-wheel drive wagon, in the US market, that has my cargo volume nor my auto-leveling suspension (just to name two things). If the American market had an equivalent sport-wagon I would certainly look at it.

And it is a sum-of-the-parts issue. You like to just dismiss any argument that actually counters you. Or you remove the variable that the object you disagree with excels at, i.e. off-roading/inclement weather conditions/poor road conditions (you forgot ground clearance too, btw).

Quick Google of the sport wagon market:

http://gearpatrol.com/2015/02/23/best-sport-wagons/
Edited by Piobaire - 2/7/16 at 7:55am
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I cannot think of a four-wheel drive wagon, in the US market, that has my cargo volume nor my auto-leveling suspension (just to name two things). If the American market had an equivalent sport-wagon I would certainly look at it.

And it is a sum-of-the-parts issue. You like to just dismiss any argument that actually counters you.

I didn't dismiss it. I raised a counter-point on the basis of your own criteria. On a sum-of-the-parts basis, it is hard to see many situations where a luxury SUV is the best choice, unless image matters.

Why not a Honda Odyssey, for example?
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I have an Acura car that I drive 90% of the time, and an Mercedes SUV that my wife drives to/from work and I drive whenever we are driving as a family. There are some things to consider, when I'm driving my car I have to constantly attempt to look around large vehicles because it seems everyone in NJ drives an SUV or a truck.....everyone! That means when some idiot parks their car/truck/suv in a loading zone I have to drive 1/2 way into the oncoming traffic to see ahead of their car.....and other similar inconveniences which are not present when you are higher from the ground.

When my wife got pregnant I decided that I wanted an SUV for her, it's good for snow/shitty weather and easier for her to see and we can have a 3rd and fourth passenger and still feel comfortable.

Buying a mercedes was infinitely easier than the acura. At acura I had to deal with some annoying kid practicing his every new sales tactic on me, a process which took the entire day, where at Mercedes I bought the suv without much BS, I drove it with my wife and without a salesman, test drove a few cars that way, he gave me a solid price out of the gate and we bought it. Stopped back later on that day to pick it up.

So luxury image aside there are some great qualities to luxury brands and one of them is much less hassle.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

I didn't dismiss it. I raised a counter-point on the basis of your own criteria. On a sum-of-the-parts basis, it is hard to see many situations where a luxury SUV is the best choice, unless image matters.

Why not a Honda Odyssey, for example?

Does it have the auto-load leveling? An equal AWD drive system? Ground clearance? Body side roll who wins? How does it handle in inclement conditions or degraded road conditions? Braking performance? What are its highway manners like? Does it automatically lower the suspension when at high speeds?

What is the Honda ownership experience like? Free service loaners? Pick up/drop off the vehicle at your home or office with a fresh wash?

And you did dismiss it:
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But it is not a sum-of-the-parts issue.

And then you reverted back to saying, in any given isolated situation, it might not be the best choice. Back to dismissing it as an overall choice for daily life as it's not the very best choice in an isolated example designed to show another vehicle superior in that isolated instance.
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parents finally moved into their new house.

Renovation is about 80% there with all the outside still needing to be done and some finishing touches on the inside.

 

My dad bought this Alessi toilet brush to clean turds off the Alessi toilet.

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Maybe you guys should order a U haul and haul your car discussion over into the cars we drive thread. wink.gif
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That toilet brush looks like a double prostate massager. 

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I'm making attempts at design discussion here....minimally successful ones.

Ethan I literally laughed out loud, in public, like a jolly baffoon, at that comment.
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Why do you two know so much about prostate massagers?
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Don't blame me, I posted a picture of a cool chair.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

But why an SUV at all? Do you off-road? Even if you do, the vast majority are no longer designed for off-roading anyway (including the GL and Explorer). Need for all-wheel drive for inclement weather? There are plenty of more efficient sedan and wagon options. Do you need the extra room and capacity? Then a wagon or minivan would have made more sense. Looking for comfort? A sedan would have been at least as comfortable, with better ride quality. Obviously, fuel economy, performance or driving dynamics were not priorities, as there really can be no worse choice than an SUV in those regards.

I can almost guarantee the only reason you or anybody ultimate buys a luxury SUV, like the GL, is image. Even leadership at companies like BMW, Porsche, etc., have bemoaned the fact they have to build so many SUVs, as they could make better cars if not for mainstream demand for them.

That reminded me of the "fuck you" wagon I want:
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Don't blame me, I posted a picture of a cool chair.

So did I. teacha.gif

Btw, not sure how comfy the arms are on that chair you posted. Have you sat in one? Enjoyed the upholstery comment too. smile.gif
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