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post #1816 of 3951
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Originally Posted by twistoffat View Post

You can find examples online for less. Here´s an original one in Germany for 15K USD

http://www.markanto.de/Markanto-Store/Entwurfsjahr/1950-1959/PK-31-Sitzprogramm::1235.html

The 3 seater is $36K on that site.


Btw, next time you pass through here you can try it out :-)
post #1817 of 3951
Deep, It's worth previewing auctions in my experience. For example, I was looking at a Hans Wegner peacock chair last night and the auction lists a split in one of the legs, but no picture of it. You could see that in person and also take note of how tight or loose the joinery is.

There are certainly exceptions to the above comment, such as a sought after maker than no longer produces a piece that is still in production elsewhere. Like some of the Hans Wegner chairs produced by Johannes Hansen, or Finn Juhl by Niels Vodder.
post #1818 of 3951
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Originally Posted by twistoffat View Post

You can find examples online for less. Here´s an original one in Germany for 15K USD

http://www.markanto.de/Markanto-Store/Entwurfsjahr/1950-1959/PK-31-Sitzprogramm::1235.html

Thanks. 15k is still way more than I, as a renter in my twenties, would spend on a chair.
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

http://en.klassik.dk
http://www.dmk.dk

Thanks. I just skimmed the first site for a second and found this beautiful thing, which at 22k is out of my range.
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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post

Nice edit BB, see how quickly you reconsidered that knockoff.

Fwiw I don't think you need to spend $17k on a sofa, I just think a replica is a terrible way to get what you're looking for. Why appreciate the design but immediately discard the value of those creating it? A much more reasonable approach would be to pick a less expensive design.

I'm not sure what you mean by the bolded.

And while I'm not familiar enough with furniture to have an original vs repro discussion, from casually browsing various furniture threads Ive gathered that many people are of the opinion that 1) authenticity isn't a terribly accurate predictor of quality (anecdotally, I have a Herman Miller fiberglass shell chair from the 60s that is more or less indistinguishable from my Modernica repro fiberglass shell chair, while the licensed Eames chairs at Design Within Reach are awful plastic.) and 2) the people who designed these pieces died, and the designs patents ran out, long ago, making repros "ok".

Besides, while I'm not necessarily opposed to repros, a less expensive design is what I originally asked about in this thread anyway.
post #1819 of 3951
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Originally Posted by BBSLM View Post


Thanks. I just skimmed the first site for a second and found this beautiful thing, which at 22k is out of my range.

It's including danish sales tax, which you don't pay, if you live outside of Europe.


It's more like 16,8 plus shipping, which should be around 500-1000$.
post #1820 of 3951
BB, I'm going to assume you don't appreciate art?
post #1821 of 3951
Maybe you should focus on tangible dreams.
post #1822 of 3951
Bb, That is a very basic understanding of it, I think you need to delve deeper prior to committing yourself to copies. Obviously the modernica shell chair, which is made using the original equipment is not the best example of a 'copy'. At a surface level, Licensed manufacturers are held to much higher standards that those who create cheap repros in many aspects of the design and build.

Danish mid century design is often looked upon very highly for it's craftsmanship, that includes details such as crafting the arms of their armchairs with a spoke shave, appropriate dowel and mortise and tenon joinery, quality bentwood laminations, hand stitched upholstery and quality materials such as seasoned hardwoods, wool fabrics, down feathers and full grain leathers processed in fashion which allows their natural characteristics to shine. These items are often discarded by the repro makers. Compare even easily overlooked (by the end consumer) processes such as chrome plating and you'll find that they do not perform this task in the correct multiple plating process that finally arrives at chrome on the surface, but instead take a quicker route.

The intention of a repro is to mislead you, why would they stop at just the image that it mimics?

This does not include those pieces in which the original craftsman encouraged other craftsman to take on their style, as some have.

If none of this is important to you, because you do not look beyond the surface or beyond the advertisement that is fine but you're attitude in regard to craftsmanship is something you may want to keep to yourself until you do a bit more research.
post #1823 of 3951
Anyone have any experience with Thrive Furniture? They seem to be knockoffs of less known mid-century designs.
post #1824 of 3951
Any recommendations for a sub 1k chair? (used obviously)

I like the Eames for HM LCW but its more than I would like to spend at the moment. Is there a chance that I can find a used leather version under 1k?

How comfortable is the chair?

Other recommendations? (I plan to use it in my room so I can sit and read)

http://www.dwr.com/product/eames-molded-plywood-lounge-chair-lcw.do?sortby=ourPicks#.UVM0b1sjpM4


post #1825 of 3951
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Originally Posted by CalTex View Post

Any recommendations for a sub 1k chair? (used obviously)

I like the Eames for HM LCW but its more than I would like to spend at the moment. Is there a chance that I can find a used leather version under 1k?

How comfortable is the chair?

Other recommendations? (I plan to use it in my room so I can sit and read)

http://www.dwr.com/product/eames-molded-plywood-lounge-chair-lcw.do?sortby=ourPicks#.UVM0b1sjpM4



I'd skip the covered version. I've always found the plain LCW to be comfortable enough (its accommodating to changing your position which I tend to do a lot when I read).
post #1826 of 3951
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Originally Posted by CalTex View Post

BB, I'm going to assume you don't appreciate art?

strong assumption
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Originally Posted by CalTex View Post

Maybe you should focus on tangible dreams.

how is a (relatively) inexpensive sofa in the style of another ungodly expensive sofa an 'intangible dream'?
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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post

Bb, That is a very basic understanding of it, I think you need to delve deeper prior to committing yourself to copies. Obviously the modernica shell chair, which is made using the original equipment is not the best example of a 'copy'. At a surface level, Licensed manufacturers are held to much higher standards that those who create cheap repros in many aspects of the design and build.

Danish mid century design is often looked upon very highly for it's craftsmanship, that includes details such as crafting the arms of their armchairs with a spoke shave, appropriate dowel and mortise and tenon joinery, quality bentwood laminations, hand stitched upholstery and quality materials such as seasoned hardwoods, wool fabrics, down feathers and full grain leathers processed in fashion which allows their natural characteristics to shine. These items are often discarded by the repro makers. Compare even easily overlooked (by the end consumer) processes such as chrome plating and you'll find that they do not perform this task in the correct multiple plating process that finally arrives at chrome on the surface, but instead take a quicker route.

The intention of a repro is to mislead you, why would they stop at just the image that it mimics?

This does not include those pieces in which the original craftsman encouraged other craftsman to take on their style, as some have.

If none of this is important to you, because you do not look beyond the surface or beyond the advertisement that is fine but you're attitude in regard to craftsmanship is something you may want to keep to yourself until you do a bit more research.

You guys are focusing too much on my repro comment, which was facetious to being with. While I wouldn't be opposed to one that was of equal or better quality than the original, my intention with it wouldn't be to mislead, and it's not what I'm after in the first place.
post #1827 of 3951
We still have no idea what your budget is realistically. I pointed out a few that were half the price and you balked, so I think if you want genuine advice from the crowd we need some idea of where you are at.
post #1828 of 3951
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Originally Posted by converge View Post

Anyone have any experience with Thrive Furniture? They seem to be knockoffs of less known mid-century designs.

We just received the Filmore Love Seat in Klein Granite. Arrived in less then a month as promised well packaged and without damage. Unfortunately it won't be able to give you a first hand account for a few months, but so far my wife is happy with it.
post #1829 of 3951
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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post

We still have no idea what your budget is realistically. I pointed out a few that were half the price and you balked, so I think if you want genuine advice from the crowd we need some idea of where you are at.

You're more than welcome to focus on giving me a recommendation. smile.gif
post #1830 of 3951
Eames lounge chair is under $1000...unless you buy it in rosewood. The upholstered are very rare so i doubt you will find them under $1000 or find them at all at auction/used.

You've used at least $1000 in energy trying to find an alternative, just buy the one you want.
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