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post #46 of 61
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sorry, J, I hate to argue with a man on his website, but that is like saying that condoms aren't jsut for sex, you can make water baloons with them or use them to waterproof things. true, silencers are not just for killing people - but the only real utility they have is to kill people without attracting attention. there are only a handful of lawful applications for that, and if you are not drawing a government paycheck then you are not involved in one. everything else is a stretch - using them for hunting, using them for plinking. enough said, we have had this conversation before.
That's a ridiculous and spurious argument, and you know it (I hope). The fact that you cannot think of another purpose for a sound suppressor does not mean other legitimate purposes don't exist. As I said before, they are required for hunting in Finland (IIRC). They have much lower rates of hearing loss there since requiring this, as it is difficult to stalk game with hearing protection on, and difficult to put hearing protection in place right before shooting game, etc. Also, it was irritating to the people who lived near hunting areas to have gunshots going off, apparently. No longer a problem. Target shooting, same thing. Why make noise unnecessarily? Would you take the muffler off your car? Possibly your experience has taught you what (to you) suppressors are made for, but their original purpose remains: to lower the impulse level of a gunshot, and thus protect the user's, and surrounding listeners', hearing. But you're right, we can and will disagree on this, and it doesn't really matter what either of us thinks on the subject anyway.
post #47 of 61
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(globetrotter @ Feb. 11 2005,17:46) sorry, J, I hate to argue with a man on his website, but that is like saying that condoms aren't jsut for sex, you can make water baloons with them or use them to waterproof things. true, silencers are not just for killing people - but the only real utility they have is to kill people without attracting attention. there are only a handful of lawful applications for that, and if you are not drawing a government paycheck then you are not involved in one. everything else is a stretch - using them for hunting, using them for plinking. enough said, we have had this conversation before.
That's a ridiculous and spurious argument, and you know it (I hope). The fact that you cannot think of another purpose for a sound suppressor does not mean other legitimate purposes don't exist. As I said before, they are required for hunting in Finland (IIRC). They have much lower rates of hearing loss there since requiring this, as it is difficult to stalk game with hearing protection on, and difficult to put hearing protection in place right before shooting game, etc. Also, it was irritating to the people who lived near hunting areas to have gunshots going off, apparently. No longer a problem. Target shooting, same thing. Why make noise unnecessarily? Would you take the muffler off your car? Possibly your experience has taught you what (to you) suppressors are made for, but their original purpose remains: to lower the impulse level of a gunshot, and thus protect the user's, and surrounding listeners', hearing. But you're right, we can and will disagree on this, and it doesn't really matter what either of us thinks on the subject anyway.
oh, come one J, sure the, what, lets say 10,000 to be generous, hunters in finland need to use silencers to hunt, maybe. that still doesn't change the reason they were developed or the main reason they are used. up until very recently silencers were extremly poor performers in terms of cost effectiveness per shot muffled. I have heard that now they are more reliable for longer, but for most of thier short history they were realy only good for a small number of shots. If you balance a few small peices of spongy ear plugs to a silencer, you really have nothing to compare. but there is a bigger question here - the availability of silencers makes it easier for bad guys to use them in the way they were intended. if a lot of people, who have no real reason to use them, start playing with them itmakes it more likely and easier for bad guys to get their hands on them.
post #48 of 61
This is the entire gun control argument again that we had earlier, restricting access to it just means it's slightly more difficult for bad guys to get them, but almost impossible for normal citizens to get them... that's one of the reasons they let the assault weapons ban sunset. Ok, sure now it's $1200 instead of $1800 for a civilian to get a MP5, but it's always been $500-600 to get them on the street, albeit dirty ones, and that price has hardly changed due to the ban...
post #49 of 61
Very few violent crimes are commited with firearms in this country. The majority are committed in the heat of the moment, and I seriously doubt the murderers would take the time to use a silencer. Assassins and professional killers will always have access to silencers, automatic weapons, etc, so whether I purchase one or not will have no effect at all on the rate of violent crimes by professional criminals (which must be extremely minimal anyway). Also, I am quite responsible with my weapons, which are kept locked and hidden (I have a small fireproof safe) with a trigger lock also, it would be quite close to impossible to steal one from me and put it to illegal use. I just hope my girlfriend does not have a PMS rage someday and decide she has tired of my resistance to cleaning dishes. Heh heh ;P
post #50 of 61
...three knives and two guns carried in a black Epi leather attache case ($3,200) by Louis Vuitton...

Wait, that's Patrick Bateman, not me (!).

Generally, as follows:

*Six card wallet in brown scotch-grain leather in my left breast pocket (so that the bulge is slightly disguised by my pocket handkerchief.
*Visconti Van Gogh fountain pen (black) in right breast pocket, nothing else hard that might dent or scratch it, but business cards, receipts, etc go here.
*Mobile phone in lower inside left hand pocket (cigarette pocket). I'm frustrated because this puts most of the weight on the left side of my jacket. I intend to obtain the RAZR at the nearest convenience, but I'm not sure to what extent that will help?
*Change in coin pocket inside right trouser pocket. I have some that are nice and deep, but others aren't, which bothers me.

Everything else goes in the (dark brown Prada) briefcase - MiniDisc player, sunglasses, diary (Moleskine week-to-an-opening, these fucking ROCK), work and whatever I'm reading...

Oh, and lest I forget, Sten gun, stick grenades, sword-bayonet, &c.

Best,

Eden
post #51 of 61
I carry: -1920s Asprey brown crocodile and karat gold suit wallet -Delta Nautilus fountain pen in black resin and silver -Circa 1925 shagreen and sterling cigarette case -1930s Cartier sterling lighter -Key -Some type of a Motorolla phone.
post #52 of 61
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Originally Posted by zjpj83
This is very difficult for me because I hate having anything in my pockets. The answer is just to carry around a briefcase, I think. I really hate stuff in my pockets... I don't know, I'm weird.

But, when I must:
wallet in inner breast pocket,
cell phone in right pants pocket,
keys in left pants pocket, along with any other random stuff - pills, sore throat lozenge, etc.
business card case in right jacket flap pocket

And all the other million things I carry around just have to stay in my bag and don't get to come with me.

I totally agree. I hate having things in my pockets. I normally carry just enough cash, a bank card, & my phone. As soon as I get to the office, keys go in the desk drawer. I pay with the bank card whenever possible so that I don't have to deal with carrying change. I also carry the bare minimum number of keys, which includes the apartment key and the two masters + swipe pass for my office. Keys for other stuff are on a separate key chain which I leave at home.

My particular aversion to carrying things started when I began wearing slimmer flat front dress pants as opposed to Armani. I wear sportsjackets almost every day now, so it's not as bad as having to put stuff in your trouser pockets and ruining the line of the pant. Still, my cell phone pisses me off, and I'm looking forward to my free Razr upgrade in May.
post #53 of 61
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Originally Posted by LabelKing
I carry:

-1920s Asprey brown crocodile and karat gold suit wallet
-Delta Nautilus fountain pen in black resin and silver
-Circa 1925 shagreen and sterling cigarette case
-1930s Cartier sterling lighter
-Key
-Some type of a Motorolla phone.

The incongruity of the mobile phone must annoy you.
post #54 of 61
post #55 of 61
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Originally Posted by whoopee
The incongruity of the mobile phone must annoy you.
It is rather a hassle because of its bulk. I refuse to pay $200+ for some plastic concoction. As for sunglasses, I always carry a pair: Cutler & Gross black acetate in a '60s style.
post #56 of 61
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Originally Posted by LabelKing
It is rather a hassle because of its bulk. I refuse to pay $200+ for some plastic concoction. As for sunglasses, I always carry a pair: Cutler & Gross black acetate in a '60s style.
See above: You and Tomasso should really hang out.
post #57 of 61
Black Ray Ban Wayfarers: left breast pocket Black generic leather wallet: back right pants pocket Black Samsung 'Blade': front left pants pocket Silver Plantronics Discovery 640 Headset: left inner pocket White iPod 20gb: right outer pocket keys: front right pocket I really wish that I could ditch some of these but during a spring/summer day I use them all the time! Perhaps a thin metal cardholder could replace the wallet at least...
post #58 of 61
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Originally Posted by LabelKing
It is rather a hassle because of its bulk. I refuse to pay $200+ for some plastic concoction.

As for sunglasses, I always carry a pair: Cutler & Gross black acetate in a '60s style.

Aren't Razrs metal? Seriously LK, getting rid of the bulk of a typical cell phone is money well spent imo.
post #59 of 61
I've got a back holster for one one of these:

I get some funny looks, but its a Mont Blanc
post #60 of 61
ID card - left trouser (proximity type, so I need to get to it easily). Only when working, obviously.
House keys in black leather folding key fob - right trouser
Black leather wallet - right inside jacket
XDA2 PDA phone in leather case - left inside jacket
Sterling silver Parker 75 fountain pen or burgundy MontBlanc rollerball (FP with suits, RB with sportcoats) - left pen pocket
Car keys - right outside pocket

Wish I could reduce the number of items, but I need them all every day...
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