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post #91 of 120
"I am not willing to shell out close to a grand to be condescended to or dictated to" makes sense to me....
post #92 of 120
Personally, I refuse to pay more than $750 to be condescended to. . . .
post #93 of 120
I have some friends who pay very good money to the right person for a 45 minute session of "being condescended to" ...
post #94 of 120
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I have some friends who pay very good money to the right person for a 45 minute session of "being condescended to" ...
Right. "Friends".
post #95 of 120
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Personally, I refuse to pay more than $750 to be condescended to. . . .
Interesting statement.  I eat at McDonald's once a week spending about $5.50 and the service is a hell of a lot better than most clothing shops I've been to.   I've also noticed that female salespeople are a LOT better to deal with when buying clothes.  They rarely insist that I buy clothes that obviously don't fit me (a big pet peeve of mine) and they're not angry at the world (or maybe they hide it better).
post #96 of 120
I went to the Boston branch of the Andover Shop this weekend and got perfectly adequate service--- they are even lengthening a few ties in stock for me, with one week promised delivery. We'll see how they turn out. Sorry the Cambridge experience didn't do it for you. Maybe something about being close to Harvard...
post #97 of 120
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True, even if he does frequently threaten to thrash the rude or overdressed  Davidson must have really raised his ire, usually he just wants to kick em in the rocks  (the threats are figurative of course, for the benefit of the newbies.) Sorry LA Guy, I couldn't resist
No worries   Horace, I was actually incredibly polite.  I knew, going in, that the Andover Shop was an institution, and made great pains to respect it.  I even complimented, within Davidson's earshot, his selection of older, traditional, American brands (I'm not a fan of the preppy look, but I am capable of appreciating things for what they are.)  I even complimented a really terrific dark blue tuxedo in a heavyweight wool with braiding on the trousers (the detail was really quite nice.) when the other salesman was showing me the tuxes they had on hand.  I was looking to get a dinner suit MTM, at a good price, but I am not willing to shell out close to a grand to be condescended or dictated to.  And I don't think that the information I asked for was unreasonable, as we've already discussed ad nauseam.  I don't have generations of experience, but I expect a little respect.  Given the apocryphal story about "Zachary", it seems that Davidson does not respect people as a matter of course.  And this is one Harvard man (and I've convinced several others to follow my lead) he will not serve.  Hopefully, he will not be around to serve (or abuse) another generation of "Harvard Men". Edited for grammar (again).
LA Guy, I'd like to offer you my apology please.  Not for so much what I said as how I said it (though those two things are not mutually exclusive). I was more than a bit rude and just a bit antagonistic. If I were to have made a more measured and mature argument it would've gone something like this:   I don't expect a store to give customer service in the way that you seem to expect;  the shop is entitled not reveal who its makers are (a point with which you didn't disagree), considering its "investment" in its brand and particular specifications toward the maker, which are unique to the shop; I've known these people for longer than I'd care to say and I would guess that in his reply to your original query, he was just being matter-of-fact and blunt, and this isn't something you'll see as frequently on the West coat (at least LA); indeed, the response seems to be framed in a sort of passive-agressive manner which those outside of New England don't really care for, and with perhaps very good reason.  I must say that in your follow-up response I took more than a bit of offense to your threatening to slap an 80+ year old man.
post #98 of 120
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Originally Posted by kalra2411 View Post
No, I am married. They even recognised Mittal at Verace when we went together. Now he's a guy you want to know, compared to him I am a blue collar citizen, why not look him up. (That's Lakshmi N. Mittal if you really want to do so) Maybe you won't know who I am if you do not know who Mittal is.
Ahhh, memories.
post #99 of 120
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
The Andover Shop (Cambridge) refused to tell me who does their MTM suits. I asked the owner (?), "Would you mind telling me which factory do you use for your MTM suits?" to which I got the reply "I would mind - and it wouldn't make a difference anyway. The information would mean nothing to you. All you need to know is that your suit came from the Andover shop." I'll tell you what, it won't. And I'll be sure to recommend to as many people as I can not to patronize your store, sir, because I do not appreciate being condescended to. I don't think that it was an inappropriate question, but there were certainly better ways to have said the same thing. A simple "I'm sorry, but our company policy is to not divulge that type of information" would have sufficed.

1 - this is a rude question to ask - next time why don't you go further and ask him what his markup is.
2- if you're that picky about it, you'd know/recognize the factory's handiwork anyway.
3- the owner's right: it means nothing to you anyway. Why would you go to him to buy a suit if you would rather deal directly with the factory.

I don't understand why people need to know which factory a suit is from. Is the suit well-made or not? Can you tell? If one can't tell the difference between a good suit and a bad one, just buy the cheap stuff until it becomes second nature to tell the difference.
post #100 of 120
I proudly tell all my customers where our selections are from, how they are made, what their fabric content is, how to care for it, even if they don't ask.
The OP knows what he knows because he asks.
post #101 of 120
ZOMBIE THREAD!!!
post #102 of 120
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Originally Posted by raphael View Post
1 - this is a rude question to ask - next time why don't you go further and ask him what his markup is.
2- if you're that picky about it, you'd know/recognize the factory's handiwork anyway.
3- the owner's right: it means nothing to you anyway. Why would you go to him to buy a suit if you would rather deal directly with the factory.

I don't understand why people need to know which factory a suit is from. Is the suit well-made or not? Can you tell? If one can't tell the difference between a good suit and a bad one, just buy the cheap stuff until it becomes second nature to tell the difference.

I disagree. The identity of a suit's maker can be a useful proxy when more direct quality assessments aren't possible. When it comes to suits, many signifiers of quality are less than obvious. Anyway, we're not all experts.

If the store actually adds some value to the product, such as service, information, and guidance, why should it matter to them if you know the factory? In my experience, it's only when there is little or no added value that a store is hostile to this query. Jay Kos, for example, will not tell you the maker of many of his things; as it turns out, they are not as exclusive as he claims and his mark-ups are huge.
post #103 of 120
I don't see a problem with asking who makes the suit, especially if you're serious about buying. There's obviously a line between that and pepperring salespeople with thirty questions right off the bat when you're there to windowshop or buy a pair of socks. It's a line that most people won't cross solely because they possess common sense.
post #104 of 120
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Originally Posted by darkoak View Post
Ahhh, memories.

That guy is hilarious. In another thread titled "what to wear/do" he becomes enraged that people do not believe that he is Lakshmi Mittal but in this one he says he was there with him. Almost as good as ernest.
post #105 of 120
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ZOMBIE THREAD!!!

I know!

Jon.
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