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Sounds like an ass.  Either that, or he is still playing the same schtick that used to work for Savile Row tailors, as Manton described previously.  I personally believe that someone who genuinely loves clothes and furnishings should try to convey part of that enthusiasm to his customers, like a good teacher.   To be a little more positive, there is a brand new store tucked away on Newbury Street, called Stel, that I would recommend very highly to Bostonians and visitors.  They have a skeleton website,  www.stelinc.com.  Unfortunately, it doesn't tell you much, but I would liken their lines to those of Steven Alan in NYC - casual and contemporary, with an eye for quality over trendiness - grown up cool.  If you like the streetwear at Alan Bilzerian or Louis, chances are that you'll like this place.  And as an added bonus, the owners/operators are very friendly, and you'll get a much more laid back vibe than at those other two places (although, in general, I've had rather pleasant experiences at both those stores.)  They have shirts by Coast, pants by Weber, and jackets by Duffer of St. George, among other things.  I really hope that they survive their rather obscured basement location on the "streetwear" end of Newbury Street. You'll find cooler than usual stuff for your girlfriend/wife/fiancee too. In general, I have been extremely unimpressed with the availability of good casualwear for men in the Boston area. For women, though, it's a different story. There are plenty of shops that have very good stuff for the woman who is too old to be wearing hip huggers and flipflops and too young to be wearing, well, what my mother wears. Stel is a good example of a look many 20 and 30 somethings of either gender should aspire to.
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I remember a story from Style and the Man.  From memory, it went something like this.  A guy goes into the Andover shop and orders a few custom (or MTM) suits.  Davidson is a little distant, but takes the order.  Weeks go by, and the customer never hears from the shop.  He calls, and always gets the runaround.  The thing is, Davidson won't start the order.  When one of the salesmen asks Davidson why, he says, "I don't like the cut of that guy's jib."  Finally, the customer demands to speak to Davidson, gets him on the phone, and chews him out.  Davidson laughes, hangs up, and places the order.  The customer had passed some sort of mysterious test, and been admitted to the club. Flusser cites this as proof of Davidson's unique charm, and of the store's special atmosphere.  I interpret that anecdote ... differently.
I don't remember that story.  However, with that in mind, if I ever go back into the Andover Shop, I'll not think twice about jumping over his not terrific display of sweaters and giving him a good slap upside the head, should Charlie show me any attitude.  My mistake, I now see, was that I thought twice about it the first time around.  I looks as though I'm not going to be in the club.  My loss.
LA guy -- you're not in LA anymore. Things are done differently in New England. Davidson's been running a store for generations of Harvard men. He's a gentleman. His store is an institution. You show some respect. It should be good enough for you that the label says Andover Shop. I have to believe, from reading your other posts, that you were rude to him. You're a jumped, pretentious phony. You got what you deserved. If you want someone to bow and scrape to you, go somewhere else. I'd like to see you jump the over the counter. We'll see who gets tossed out on his ass.
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I'll let LA Guy speak for himself. But if a shop owner treated me the way Davidson treated "Zachary" in the story I quoted, I would demand my money back and never return.
Damn right. The man deserves to be thrashed. Those who want respect ought to give it in return.
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You're a jumped, pretentious phony.  You got what you deserved.  If you want someone to bow and scrape to you, go somewhere else. I'd like to see you jump the over the counter.  We'll see who gets tossed out on his ass.
What, the hell, Horace. If you've been here longer, you'll find out that LAGuy is one of our most esteemed members with his insight into streetwear. You're the one who sounds like an ass with this comment, and your previous post about Italian clothes.
post #82 of 120
That sounds like a good way to decrease and alienate your customer base... i guess rudimentary business sense and exclusive old boys' club don't necessarily go hand in hand.
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(Horace @ 19 Oct. 2004, 6:34) You're a jumped, pretentious phony. You got what you deserved. If you want someone to bow and scrape to you, go somewhere else. I'd like to see you jump the over the counter. We'll see who gets tossed out on his ass.
What, the hell, Horace. If you've been here longer, you'll find out that LAGuy is one of our most esteemed members with his insight into streetwear. You're the one who sounds like an ass with this comment, and your previous post about Italian clothes.
I would leave him alone, to be honest, I don't think it's worth arguing against such repugnant drivel.
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find out that LAGuy is one of our most esteemed members with his insight into streetwear.
True, even if he does frequently threaten to thrash the rude or overdressed Davidson must have really raised his ire, usually he just wants to kick em in the rocks (the threats are figurative of course, for the benefit of the newbies.) Sorry LA Guy, I couldn't resist
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Last week I went into a shop and was told by a salesguy that my sweater made my skin look pale. Even if its true (which it was), I couldn't believe that the guy would insult my taste, especially since I was a regular customer.
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Last week I went into a shop and was told by a salesguy that my sweater made my skin look pale.  Even if its true (which it was), I couldn't believe that the guy would insult my taste, especially since I was a regular customer.
Why, he wanted to sell you a new sweater, of course.
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(HeyYouItsMike @ 20 Oct. 2004, 08:35) Last week I went into a shop and was told by a salesguy that my sweater made my skin look pale.  Even if its true (which it was), I couldn't believe that the guy would insult my taste, especially since I was a regular customer.
Why, he wanted to sell you a new sweater, of course.
Actually, he wanted to sell me a jacket in the same color.
post #88 of 120
I find LAGuy's posts to be very candid and, perhaps as a result, very amusing and a joy to read.  
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I was at Harry Rosen and talking this rather out of shape lady sales associate.  I need some alteration on my navy Canali.  But from the get-go, she start yepping how the suit does not fit properly, I should buy MTM Canali suits.  She also said my suit does not 'hug' my body. At this point I was pissed off.  I usually let sales person say whatever, but this time I had to correct her.  I said  "Listen, Canali does not have MTM.  They have made to order.  Which means its same as RTW, but can select better fitting pants which is not the problem here.  Also, MTM is not going to solve my problem.  I guarentee, MTM in 1st attempt result  won't be that dramatic.  It takes serveral try but I do not have time and patient for that." All I need was taper rear skirt seam a bit .. but she was reluctant to help me .. I was really piss off @ f**k face of her. Its like when you are buying they'll say things that will make you feel like million bucks, then the truth come out when you seek for help later. I am really not considering to shop at Harry retail anymore. I'll go outlet though, simply sales staffs are more friendly and low prices.
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True, even if he does frequently threaten to thrash the rude or overdressed  Davidson must have really raised his ire, usually he just wants to kick em in the rocks  (the threats are figurative of course, for the benefit of the newbies.) Sorry LA Guy, I couldn't resist
No worries   Horace, I was actually incredibly polite.  I knew, going in, that the Andover Shop was an institution, and made great pains to respect it.  I even complimented, within Davidson's earshot, his selection of older, traditional, American brands (I'm not a fan of the preppy look, but I am capable of appreciating things for what they are.)  I even complimented a really terrific dark blue tuxedo in a heavyweight wool with braiding on the trousers (the detail was really quite nice.) when the other salesman was showing me the tuxes they had on hand.  I was looking to get a dinner suit MTM, at a good price, but I am not willing to shell out close to a grand to be condescended or dictated to.  And I don't think that the information I asked for was unreasonable, as we've already discussed ad nauseam.  I don't have generations of experience, but I expect a little respect.  Given the apocryphal story about "Zachary", it seems that Davidson does not respect people as a matter of course.  And this is one Harvard man (and I've convinced several others to follow my lead) he will not serve.  Hopefully, he will not be around to serve (or abuse) another generation of "Harvard Men". Edited for grammar (again).
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