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I certainly don't have a dog in this hunt, but it occurs to me that someone with such "fine taste" and considerable consumption of expensive and finely tailored clothing sure does behave like a 5-year old. Pity too, since I like reading his analyses/experiences when he checks his bile at the door (which unfortunately, happens all too infrequently lately).
I don't understand all the back and forth about who the alterations tailors are, and who cuts and who sews. The bottom line should be if the garment is beautiful to its wearer, and if the purchaser feels it's worth the investment.
Well, that's a concept that seems lost on many on the forum. Jon.
post #47 of 120
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I tend to agree that the garment rules. And in the world of bespoke shirts, that is more the case than in the universe of tailoring. In shirts, we tend to idolize the shirts, not quibble about who touched the collar for the last time before we gave it to the client. On the Great Mount of Tailoring, titles seem to have a much greater impact ... especially amongst those clients who put more stock in by whom they were measured than how the suit fits. And then you've got the international confusion as well. In the U.S., the Cutter ... well, the cutter cuts. In the U.K., it seems the Cutter measures and fits. So who cuts in the U.K.? and let's not forget the Chinese. All Chinese laundries have a sign saying, 'Tailoring on Premises'. I've watched. There, the tailor spends his entire day standing in the window ironing shirts. There, now I've done it. I've lifted the veil and revealed the inner workings of the trade. All the shirtmakers and tailors are going to hate me. Oh ... wait ... I forgot. They already do.
post #48 of 120
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I tend to agree that the garment rules.
Yes. "The last shall be first". Or something.
post #49 of 120
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Thank you ALL for the overwhelming response. Yes, we are looking into the feasibility of booking a third day - but there are many scheduling conflicts which may be insurmountable.
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Should we have received an inviation already, if we submitted the form a few days ago? Or are you processing everything before sending things out?
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The first group of invitations (everyone who responded before 6am this morning) are going out in tomorrow's mail.
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For all of you guys and gals who have opined similarly to
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I think it would be very helpful to understand the specific schedule/agenda/structure of this get-together. Are you all just going to be available to answer specific questions and display your wares, or will there be any demonstrations, presentations, and/or discussion sessions? It is just not clear to me what specifically I might expect to learn by attending.
Here's the scoop, the dish, the low-down: 1] The event is the first of its kind. We have not a clue how it will evolve. We've been asked to take "it" to other cities ... even to other countries ... before "it" has even occurred. In no specific order, these are the thoughts we have discussed. 2] All four of us, and our partners will be available to answer questions during the entire sixteen hours of the event. 3] There will be no seminars or speeches. Our concern lies not in offering self-serving monologues topically germane to microcosmic manifestations of each of our particular sartorial arts. The agreed goal is to try to respond intelligiently to your concerns with respect to the design, quality, construction, and usage of the clothing you either wear or aspire towards. 4] More specifically in response to the above question, "demonstrations" will be continuous. That is the entire premise ... that there is much about clothing frequently asked on AAAC and the SF which is ever-so-much better shown rather than written. "Presentations", insofar as they are to be differentiated from demonstrations, will be in the form of the clothing & furnishings available for inspection ... and the interogation of its maker. We have every expectation that the entire event will consist of one long "discussion session". 5] Will we display our wares? How can I show you the difference between a French front and a placket center without having them available? Will I be loading 2000 boxes of Zimmerli underwear and 60 dozen Pantherellas into a tractor-trailer and moving it to the Regency? Absolutely not. Will I have one of each different type so I can show all those who have asked what the difference is between MicroModal and Royal Classic Cotton Lisle? Positively yes. I would be derelict if I didn't. Will Chuck bring ties, Darren a number of suits, and Gabor a range of shoes? Of course ... what else would you be coming to learn about if not the positive and negative aspects of the clothing we so frequently discuss? Will there be items for sale? To a man (and woman) we're all damn proud of what we do. We're certainly not going to show it to you and then say you can't have it if you want. But that is not the focus of the event. 6] As far as I have personally thought it through in relation to shirts and furnishings, I picture the event to be somewhat similar to my first meeting with a new client. We spend some time discussing style and wardrobe coordination. We usually segue to a more intense back-and-forth regarding the many various options available in the design and construction of shirts - as well as the advantages and detriments of each. We then go over measurement and fitting parameters in relation to occupational & "social strata" requirements, body type, and esthetic preferences. Finally, we begin to carve a synopsis of our meeting into a more concrete agenda for the building of a shirt and furnishings collection. That's where I see the event from my shirt perspective - taking you through the process up to but not including the bespeaking part where Platinum and pen enter into the equation. From what I've gathered in our discussions, Chuck, Darren, and Gabor see similar courses of action in their own fields. 7] Finally, we'll be taking pictures with and of our guests (who consent to such things) and posting them on the boards so that those far from NYC can get a bit of vicarious enjoyment. 8] We would be more than happy to entertain any suggestions for things you might like to see or learn during the event. Just post a reply below and we'll do our best. And as to the 'what should I wear' question posed multiple times, stay tuned. The dress code is in work and will be posted shortly.
post #53 of 120
Even though I'm not going, something tells me dressing ones best would not be frowned upon. Jon.
post #54 of 120
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Jon- That depends. In light of last evening's entertaining and informative 13 page shoot-out, we are giving strong consideration to the permissability of black suits for those arriving during daytime time slots. BTW, to all of those who participated, I vote that thread a HOF. Anyone second?
post #55 of 120
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Jon- That depends. In light of last evening's entertaining and informative 13 page shoot-out, we are giving strong consideration to the permissability of black suits for those arriving during daytime time slots. BTW, to all of those who participated, I vote that thread a HOF. Anyone second?
As we have seen however, wearing a black suit during the day for an informal and / or business occasion is still up for debate, with both camps firmly entrenched. Probably best to attend wearing a pair of shorts from Nautica, a pair of flip-flops, and a GAP faded t-shirt. Jon.
post #56 of 120
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"Will XYZ123 be attending the event?" Though the question was asked elsewhere, I am posting the answer here as well to remain consistent on policy: Old man throws water on thread: It is the practice (might that be a 'rule'? ) for bespoke makers not to reveal their clients sans permission or precedent (i.e., the client, in a public interview, reveals the name of his maker). Likewise, it is the practice of "A Collection of Sartorial Excellence" not to post the names of those planning to attend. Moreover, we specifically and purposefully have NOT requested the attendees' membernames in order to retain fora anonimity. Hence, we couldn't tell you if we wanted to.
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(Alexander Kabbaz @ Feb. 09 2005,12:55) Jon- That depends. In light of last evening's entertaining and informative 13 page shoot-out, we are giving strong consideration to the permissability of black suits for those arriving during daytime time slots.   BTW, to all of those who participated, I vote that thread a HOF. Anyone second?
As we have seen however, wearing a black suit during the day for an informal and / or business occasion is still up for debate, with both camps firmly entrenched. Probably best to attend wearing a pair of shorts from Nautica, a pair of flip-flops, and a GAP faded t-shirt.   Jon.
Gap T-shirt?? I normally where Hanes. I was not aware that I had to dress-up. I think I will cancel.
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Hanes is fine ... as long as it's the Beefy-T. No lightweights allowed in the clubhouse.
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Hanes is fine ... as long as it's the Beefy-T. No lightweights allowed in the clubhouse.
Okee- I'll be the one in the Beffy-T Hanes, with coffee and ketchup stains, old sneakers, and ripped jeans. I want to confirm that I'll need all the help I can get.
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THE DRESS CODE - A COLLECTION OF SARTORIAL EXCELLENCE For all who asked ...
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