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post #16 of 29
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Would go pretty well with Kermit's suit, actually.
Kermit's wide feet would never fit into pointy shoes like that.
post #17 of 29
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(RJMan @ Jan. 31 2005,11:13) Would go pretty well with Kermit's suit, actually.
Kermit's wide feet would never fit into pointy shoes like that.
But they're "be-spoke" [sic].
post #18 of 29
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l care. So do many shoe buffs. Factory made = less shoe life. Handmade shoes last longer. Factory made Berluti RTW will not last the distance. l also find Handmade shoes to be much more comfortable than factory made shoes.
I find it hard to believe that hand-made will make them last significantly longer than a top quality machine made shoe. With proper care, each should last equally as long. Just because basted (hand-made) suits last longer than fused (machine) suits dosen't mean that arguement applies to shoes.
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Factory made = less shoe life.
I refuse to belive this is a true blanket arguement. You guys sometimes make it out like if something isn't hand made it's poor quality. Something that is definitely not true. Also, I find that comfort is determined by the shoe's designer, not any method of construction. My most comfortable pair of shoes are Foot-Joy (made by Allen Edmunds), which certainly aren't hand made.
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P.S: l am a really bad traveller. Plane travel causes massive head aches. l can't travel.
I'm a terrrific traveller. A few things that help a lot. 1) A good meal a couple of hours before the flight. Not too filling, but filling. That probably means no sprouts. Some antipasta, greens, a steak. A good cappucino. 2) Bring a toothbrush and tootpate onboard. A clean mouth and some water splashed onto your face will make you feel a lot better. 3) Midflight (especially on a long one), go to the back, and do some stretches and some uhnobstrusive calisthenics. Pushups are good. Gets the blood running a little. 4) Drink lots of water. 6) If all else fails, Advil usually does the trick. Marc, I too would love to knock you out like they did Mr. T, just so you can have a look at some Berlutis and EGs.
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Who cares if the shoes are entirely factory made either. Berluti falls into the same category of Dior Homme, and pretty much all Women's wear. Construction is meaningless (though, I'm sure on Berluti it is top notch)... it's all about looks and style. A category in which EG doesn't compare. No one is going to look at an EG shoe and be like, "wow, those are hot shoes." With Berluti, it's a bit different. You guys miss the point about product alot.
No, some of these dudes certainly do not understand. I've pretty muich given up writing that nearly all fashion, including the recent penchant for "classic fashion that will last forever" is fleeting.
post #20 of 29
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I believe Berluti's are made by Stefanobi to Berluti's specs....and then Berluti does its own polishing/antiquing. Nothing wrong with that....I'm a big admirer of the Club line wholecuts. I'll take a pair in the antique tan please.... They won't come cheap though, that's for sure. Marc, not all bespoke/handmade stuff is more robust than factory made. There's something to be said for modern manufacturing processes in creating robust clothing for the masses. But if you're looking for robustness and long-lasting....you're missing the point entirely.. The whole point of spending 1500 yankee bucks on a pair of Berluti's is so that people will point to them and say, hey cool shoes. If all I wanted was comfort/robustness, I'd only wear Birkenstocks.
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Berluti RTW is a waste of money. Spalla (micheal alden) told me recently that Berluti RTW is entirely factory made (no handwork at all). He said you would be much better buying Edward Green for much less. Anyone who buys Berluti RTW is either rich, niave, or stupid.
Berluti and Edward Green aren't even close to being the same animal, and I would imagine that Berluti RTW and EG have about the same level of handwork in them: both are probably hand-clicked and closed and made one-at-a-time by a person using a machine. There's no question that Berluti RTW shoes are overpriced relative to the quality of construction, but it's also true that you would be very hard-pressed to find shoes of similar design for less.
post #22 of 29
Bespoke uses better leathers. With proper care they should last longer than RTW.
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Well, that's true across the board. It doesn't really support your animadversions about Berluti. I'll say this for them -- the shoes sparkle in the shop windows on Boul St. Germain (I don't go to Rue Marbeuf) like otherworldly jewels or precious antiques... Berluti design at its most inspired is gorgeous, witty, thought-provoking: the Piercing models scarred and lapped like tribal rituals, the Tatoues shoes becoming a canvas for the creativity or the whims of the wearer. At its worst, it's godawful -- the deformed Gucci-style loafers in the Dandy Sauvage collection for one. But seeing new Berlutis in person would probably change your opinion of them. Pity many of them crease so much.
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Do you have any links to Japanese websites where l could view creased Berluti shoes? l've tried doing a berluti search on the Japanese websites and l come up with no pictures. l would be much obligated. Thankyou.
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why has my thread been kidnapped by a Berluti vs EG argument???
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Bespoke uses better leathers. With proper care they should last longer than RTW.
Marc, I agree wholeheartedly that bespoke uses better leathers. Do you have any experiences with this? You say you have had bespoke shoes made, most recently your Rekaris bootlets.... but you also say at Andy's :
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No-one makes lasts in Australia
(from: Ask Andy discussion of Grensons) How did they make your "bespoke" with no last made to your foot. It cannot be bespoke then. But you have also posted whole lists of bespoke shoemakers in Oz..... I still await your reply to RJman's question of why you tout Artioli (the pictures of which you posted are blake stitched) and 'dis' Stefanobi/Berluti?
post #27 of 29
My shoes are not bespoke, only MTM. That was my error. l didn't mean to mislead you. My understanding of bespoke [back then] is different to what it is now. Hope this clears things up. Sorry Chocoball, l had to clear some issues up. T4phage has a little trouble understanding things. Chill t4phage.
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I still await your reply to RJman's question of why you tout Artioli (the pictures of which you posted are blake stitched) and 'dis' Stefanobi/Berluti?
l don't know what you mean. P.S: l want to close this topic up. l had enough of the arguments. l feel guilty for hijacking chocoballs thread (l know l h8 having my threads hijacked). l don't like all this arguing back and forth, it is not relavent to the original topic. Lets show the original poster some respect.
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why has my thread been kidnapped by a Berluti vs EG argument???
So sorry Chocoball. Originally posted by marc37:
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My shoes are not bespoke, only MTM. That was my error. l didn't mean to mislead you. My understanding of bespoke [back then] is different to what it is now. Hope this clears things up. Sorry Chocoball, l had to clear some issues up. T4phage has a little trouble understanding things.
Your understanding of many things, not only bespoke, was very.... ahem... limited? I have trouble understanding you Marc, when you first started posting, you "claim" to own a huge number of shoes, bespokes included. That is why you billed yourself as the 'shooman' . The supposed expert on shoes.
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