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post #76 of 89
10/6/08 at 10:57pm
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
I was unaware that Plato wrote historical works and "Caesar" was a position, not a person.

Ceaser wrote "Gallic Wars" 100-44 B.C.

Plato is an ancient writer, whom is generally not questioned in regards to historical frames.
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post #77 of 89
10/6/08 at 11:45pm
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Originally Posted by antirabbit View Post
Ceaser wrote "Gallic Wars" 100-44 B.C.

Plato is an ancient writer, whom is generally not questioned in regards to historical frames.

Just to repeat: Caesar was an honorific or position. You are probably referring to Julius.

I have no idea what your sentence about Plato means.

Anyways, hope to see you in Valhalla.
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post #78 of 89
10/6/08 at 11:56pm
Yes Julius
My comment on Plato is he was also a historical figure, who also wrote in ancient times, whos works are published and studied today.
Are his works considered in less accurate due to translation or any other issues associated with ancient text?
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post #79 of 89
10/6/08 at 11:58pm
Doesnt one have to die in battle to get to Valhalla?
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post #80 of 89
10/6/08 at 11:59pm
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Just to repeat: Caesar was an honorific or position. You are probably referring to Julius.

The person predated the title, no? I can't say I was confused by the statement.
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post #81 of 89
10/7/08 at 10:08am
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Yes Julius My comment on Plato is he was also a historical figure, who also wrote in ancient times, whos works are published and studied today. Are his works considered in less accurate due to translation or any other issues associated with ancient text?
your coment about plato is stretchng the trth slightly. one his works are nto considered valid historical references nor should they be. for philosphy yes they are valid but not for history. and actually his work are plagues with problmes of translation and trasmission through history. as result of church doctrine potentially affecting how the manuscript is copied to simply a monk that could not write correctly....
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post #82 of 89
10/7/08 at 11:38am
I have not been clear:
Plato's works had a 1300 year time gap between the first writing and the earliest known written copies of his works, hence the issues you mention. Lets say he wrote in 400 B.C., the earliest known copies are dated at A.D. 900
The complete new testiment has a time gap of 225, and that is in its current form. The earliest portions of the new testiment have time gaps of 50 years from writing and earliest copies.
I am not referring to Plato as a history writer, but rather the effect of history and time gaps on the accuracy of the writings themselves.
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post #83 of 89
10/7/08 at 12:19pm
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Doesnt one have to die in battle to get to Valhalla?

Heathen!
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post #84 of 89
10/7/08 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by antirabbit View Post
I have not been clear:
Plato's works had a 1300 year time gap between the first writing and the earliest known written copies of his works, hence the issues you mention. Lets say he wrote in 400 B.C., the earliest known copies are dated at A.D. 900
The complete new testiment has a time gap of 225, and that is in its current form. The earliest portions of the new testiment have time gaps of 50 years from writing and earliest copies.
I am not referring to Plato as a history writer, but rather the effect of history and time gaps on the accuracy of the writings themselves.

to answer your question directly from the earlier post yes the time fram diffrence is taken into acount whne analyzing the original texts of plato that is why when one reads a modern edition of plato in attic greek the fotnotes show disgreement in grammar adn words used depending upon different manuscripts of the same dialogue. Certain scholars support one version and the other another, but there is no correct version.
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post #85 of 89
10/7/08 at 6:08pm
people decide to believe something first, then come up with reasons why.

this is called religion
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post #86 of 89
10/7/08 at 6:47pm
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people decide to believe something first, then come up with reasons why.

this is called religion

Or politics.
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post #87 of 89
10/7/08 at 6:54pm
or Manton
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post #88 of 89
10/8/08 at 9:47am
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people decide to believe something first, then come up with reasons why.

this is called religion

doesn`t make sense
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post #89 of 89
11/18/08 at 7:59am
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doesn't make sense



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