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post #24811 of 29118
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Originally Posted by E,TF View Post

Isolation - I was just going to say to bear in mind that it's mostly american advice you'll get here which will favour brown shoes, but as a Londoner you'll find more use for black than the average SFer, which is just fine.

Yeah don't listen to the Yanks...
post #24812 of 29118
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Originally Posted by E,TF View Post

bear in mind that it's mostly american advice you'll get here
That's true, although I at least toss in, now and then, that I'm answering from an American perspective.

I sometimes find it frustrating that many SF'ers fail to have a location listed for themselves (and fail to specify a location in posing their question). So it can be difficult to know whether the question pertains to NYC, or Miami, FL, or Bejing, China, or Rome, Italy. And often, geographic considerations play a significant role with regard to the accepted norms of business dress, the seasonal appropriateness of an article of clothing, or the like.

I get how one may wish not to disclose personal information online unnecessarily. But I don't think that narrowing down one's location to a specific country or region costs a person all that much privacy.
post #24813 of 29118

If I am not mistaken, Iso asked for advice regarding casual dress as opposed to business dress for London. While I would agree that in the UK people lean more towards black shoes for conservative business dress, would you say this is also the case for casual?

post #24814 of 29118
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Originally Posted by Terpo View Post

If I am not mistaken, Iso asked for advice regarding casual dress as opposed to business dress for London. While I would agree that in the UK people lean more towards black shoes for conservative business dress, would you say this is also the case for casual?

True, though he went on to say he meant suited evening-type casual, in which case black shoes would still be pretty usual.
post #24815 of 29118
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Originally Posted by Isolation View Post

Generally speaking are Loakes durable?
If you take proper care of them, they'll probably be pretty durable. You know, use shoe trees, condition the leather, that sort of thing.

Lots of shoes look like crap before long. That's because they're not properly maintained. It's like buying a car, but never bothering to change the oil - the car's unlikely to prove particularly durable.
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Or would going for a higher tier for shoes going to prove more cost efficient in the long run?
Well, hearkening back to what I just mentioned, it occurs to me that many people take better care of pricier, higher end possessions, than they do of cheap stuff. So the higher end shoes may well last longer and look better doing it, if only for that reason.

Although a higher end shoe may be better constructed and of higher grade materials than an inexpensive shoe, which would also enter into it. Then again, lots of high priced shoes aren't constructed all that well, nor are they made from higher grade materials - they just have a fashionable designer name on them, or exhibit some gimmick which appeals to the buyer (like a bizarre color choice, or faux panda fur and rattlesnake skin, or five buckles, or whatever it is some pop culture icon wore on his feet at a recent awards show).

Anyway, with lots of stuff, paying more for higher quality isn't necessarily sensible for most people. For example, the $120 t-shirt. I don't care if it's the greatest t-shirt in the world, it's probably not worth the price premium (at least to me, and to most people) over a good (perhaps not magnificent, but genuinely quite good) t-shirt, which costs a whole lot less. Same with $70 socks.

But dress shoes - again, with proper care - can last a long time. Decades, in fact. And I don't mean "decades, if you only wear them once or twice per year," either. So with dress shoes, a reasonable case could be made that paying twice as much, for a legitimately higher quality (and quite possibly more aesthetically pleasing) pair of shoes, out of which you'll get 25 years of use, makes some sense. So yeah, in the long run, maybe going for the higher tier shoes would be more cost efficient. You tell me - even if the lower tier shoes last just as long (which may or may not be the case), how much is it worth to you to be happier with your shoes for the next 25 years? Is knowing, for the next quarter century, that you're wearing great shoes, worth an extra 79 cents per month to you? Because it seems to me, this is one yardstick by which to measure "cost efficiency."

Just some thoughts. What's your take on the matter, Isolation?
post #24816 of 29118
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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post

But, once again, if the shoes appeal to you stylistically, and fit you well, go ahead and wear them. I wear various items which would receive little love here on SF (Brooks Madison fit suits, an Old Navy pea coat, corrected leather Bass Leavitt penny loafers, etc.), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

I found myself with a bit of a shoe thing earlier and bought a few pairs of shoes that I had no business buying. I bought a pair of corrected grain JM shoes. They fit decently enough and look okay, but I never wear them because I have many shoes that are just better. Those and a couple of other pairs of shoes are just things I kick myself for wasting money on, because it was really a waste... I wear them maybe 1-2x a month and paid 40 bucks for them. I'd sell them for 20 now if I could. Sigh.

 

Regarding the rest of your post (i.e. the above), I have a gap peacoat that I get a lot of use out of as well as other odd jackets and chinos and pants and khakis that get no love on here. However, they are in character for my place of work and fit well. I might start moving those items into more casual rotations (i.e. for going out etc) as I build up my wardrobe.


That said, I'm really drooling over some duffle jackets because I want a khaki colored jacket. They look amazing but I'd need to thrift for one.

 

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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post
 

 

This is the main point. I wear lots of things I wouldn't dare post here. I'm a poor academic and I get by with what I can afford, with an occasional splurge. Why let other people's opinion spoil your enjoyment of something for which you felt you got a good deal and which you like? Enjoy them and ignore the rest (and if you have a significant other who likes them, even better).

 

We should probably move on...

 

That brings me to this post. I graduated from college 3 years ago and don't work in banking (i do medical research for a hospital). We get paid... eh

 

This is why I try to thrift for stuff for me. I've had good luck finding items that fit me well (j.crew and banana republic clothes and BB ties) and often find something much more awesome. It's not a productive use of time if you don't enjoy it, but I like the feeling of turning my brain off a little and doing that.

post #24817 of 29118

Thanks a lot for the responses, very helpful.

 

I'm looking  at the Loakes 1880s, the price is about 180-200~ pounds. I've been told something like "go for something in the 500-600 range instead of the 200-300" as a general advice on price points. Obviously what actually matters is the specific shoe/company/quality, which is why I asked. I'm looking for a price point that I would be happy to wear those next 10-20 years and what not (in a rotation with other shoes I suppose), but cheap enough that it'd be economical for me to get it now before my sense of style/preferences have completely developed. I guess getting a really nice pair of black shoes is okay from the outset though, as I assume everyone needs one good pair. FWIW I do plan on returning to HK next year to get a custom pair, which I assume would be preferable to ordering online, so perhaps it is better for now to get something at the price range I am looking at after all?

 

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 Also, get a navy suit. Keep the grey.  Ease out the black.  We'll have you in tweed by this time next year.

 

It's already happening. I went and got my first suit black, being quite new to classic men's fashion, and have since poured over a few dozen threads and gathered that black suits is a bit of a taboo. Still, I have to be honest, I think a black suit looks good on my and my body (slim/tall and young, black hair) and specific needs. I plan on posting a longer thread about my recent sartorial (mis)adventures later and I'll include some pictures and context, but basically I wear suits in a context where a wide range of informal>formal and casual>dressy is acceptable. Think city/London, but at midnight and past at a casino or evening party, something, idk if "dressy casual" is the right way to describe it, but I would use that? In any case I personally want to opt for somewhat more formal attire (read: abuse opportunities to wear suits, mostly forget denim and "streetwear" styles, just not my preference) but a touch more aggressive in colors so to speak. In a way I'm wearing "formal" in a casual context (read something about there's no overdressing, y'know), as opposed to dressing for formal work situations.

 

I'm aware that I can easily just end up looking ridiculous, like having a huge sign pointing at myself saying LOOK AT ME, but I think I have an okay eye for tastefulness, and, perhaps this is narcissism talking, but I think I can make it work. Whether it's true remains to be seen, but whatever. I mean I don't do anything garish, just some bolder colors like a royal blue shirt, maybe even a teal on black, or some more busy stripes on a neutral jacket, or even a fairly sharp blue blazer/suit (I posted in the HK thread). Just to give you a sense of what aesthetics I am going for. Because of the nature of busier colors, I find that pairing it with black shoes somewhat better, whereas maybe if I got a more subdued choice for suit/trousers/shirt, it'd make more sense to get a fancier pair of shoes with a more interesting shade of color. As it is, I don't think brown works too well with the outfits I like to go for. I basically like to frame the stronger color contrast between suit/jacket and shirt, with my black hair, shoes, belt, and watch so it gives some kind of balance, if you will. Does that make sense?

 

(Quick picture I took, didn't tuck in my shirt properly or anything since I was in a hurry but eh.)

 

Anyway, my color choices would probably be seen as a big no no for the more conservative, but I genuinely think it works for me, and my situation, IMO, makes it acceptable, I think, but not being knowledgeable enough in this area, I can't tell if I'm making excuses for a immature look I've gotten attached to and don't want to be rid of, or if I'm actually right and it's fine, so your comments on this would be cool too.

 

That said I do go to the country often (Cambridge, etc) for which I'd already gotten a brown linen suit and going to get a tweed jacket/suit for, and brown might be perfect for those situations, or when I am wearing one of my lighter gray suits.

 

Anyway, my current plans right now: I think I'm going to go for a more formal pair of black shoes first: http://www.pediwear.co.uk/loake/products/4999.php

 

Then something like this for a more casual flair: http://www.pediwear.co.uk/loake/products/572.php

 

Then finally something like this, or a brown one: http://www.pediwear.co.uk/loake/products/5631.php

 

My price range is probably approximately this, and once I've had these pairs I might look to get something fancier or at a higher price bracket, though I might be convinced to start higher too.

 

Thoughts? Should I look at other brands?


Edited by Isolation - 11/25/13 at 11:14am
post #24818 of 29118

I like your thought process, interesting read.

 

I would suggest, if you want a black shoe, the cap toe oxford the standard all-rounder: http://www.pediwear.co.uk/loake/products/4991.php

 

As a second shoe I would then get some brown in suede or brogue for casual (daytime) wear. I think the Pimlico in dark-brown suede you posted as your third option is a great choice and works well with almost any combination.

 

To get some variety, you can then have a look at some (half-)brogues (http://www.loake.co.uk/strand.html) in burgundy or a bit lighter brown than the Pimlico. Or if you prefer full-brogues, maybe you like the Chester (http://www.pediwear.co.uk/loake/products/5623.php) or the Savoy (http://www.pediwear.co.uk/loake/products/4996.php).

post #24819 of 29118

Thanks!

 

Yes, I think the suede one would be quite good and cover an opposite spectrum of my first shoe. I quite like suede in general too, so I'm already biased for it. I'd really quite like a brown brogue; the savoy one you posted looks good, I actually bookmarked a very similar one already. That said, I think I might leave it for later, either for a custom shoe later on, or just maybe a 4-5th pair. I think having a plainer brown first might be a bit better; in general I'm more keen on keeping textures/patterns simple in my outfits, perhaps because I am new to it, but I do imagine I'll slowly weave things in (it's as said earlier, I'm already mixing in the linen, only a matter of time I get that herringbone tweed). Still I think starting with more solid/plain patterns is a safer bet at first as it's easier to mix outfits. Knowing me, It probably won't take me long to get to my 4th-5th purchase anyway, but I might get myself some proper ties/pocket squares first so I have all the bases covered before I go explore it further.

post #24820 of 29118

I think brown shoes fill more holes in a wardrobe than black ones. Depending on where you live, brown shoes can also be appropriate for formal occasions if the rest of the outfit is correct.

post #24821 of 29118

Hi Guys

 

Am going to a wedding on January...and as one of the grooms men i am required to wear light grey, white shirt, and sky blue tie.

 

 

 

 

I then have another wedding the following week, giving me my own personal choice on what to wear.

 

Please bear in mind, I live in a tropical country, so its hot all year out.

 

 

 

My question is, since I am having my first bespoke suit made for the first wedding (light grey) I might as well use the same one for my other wedding, in which I plan to wear this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

as for my shoes, I am contemplating betweek the

monks, strands, or macallisters

 

 

1) which of these would you see most fitting for a semi-formal event (mid afternoon)

2) what color
3) if you had to pick two of these, one of which for everyday use (office) and the other for a little more formal, which one would it be?

 

 

4) a little off topic, but what do you think of the shirt and tie i plan to wear?- suit i have no choice but to use that same color, but the shirt and tie, was thinking of using this as well..

 

 

or this

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks!


Edited by drumerdud - 11/26/13 at 12:05pm
post #24822 of 29118

Hey guys, need help over here as well. I'm ordering my first 2 AEs on shoebank and would like to hear your opinions on what I should get.

 

For now, plan is to go with (a) Walnut Clifton and Black Delray or (b) Black Clifton and Brown Delray. I'm open to suggestions, but want to be upfront that I'm not a big fan of the Park Ave.

 

These will be my only shoes as I'm replacing the only two I own. I'm in my early 30s. Will use both shoes to work with navy blue or taupe Brooks Brothers slim pants (Monday-Thursday), black or dark blue jeans (Thursday/Friday). Don't want to be too formal as most people in the office (big Tech company) are very casual. But I also want to use these shoes with a suit on rare occasions (5-6 times a year).

 

Thank you.

post #24823 of 29118
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Originally Posted by drumerdud View Post


1) which of these would you see most fitting for a semi-formal event (mid afternoon)
2) what color
3) if you had to pick two of these, one of which for everyday use (office) and the other for a little more formal, which one would it be?
4) a little off topic, but what do you think of the shirt and tie i plan to wear?- suit i have no choice but to use that same color, but the shirt and tie, was thinking of using this as well..

1&2: I would without question pick the strand in walnut. It goes amazingly well with medium to light grey.

3. I would pick the strand in walnut and the macneil in merlot/burgundy. The burgundy macneil is not normally offered but was just offered as a webgem (online offering). Hence seconds should be available if you look around a bit. If not, you can call and ask for Allison, who will make you a MTO shoe at no additional charge.

4. I like your first option the best.
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Originally Posted by thisismyname View Post

Hey guys, need help over here as well. I'm ordering my first 2 AEs on shoebank and would like to hear your opinions on what I should get.

For now, plan is to go with (a) Walnut Clifton and Black Delray or (b) Black Clifton and Brown Delray. I'm open to suggestions, but want to be upfront that I'm not a big fan of the Park Ave.

These will be my only shoes as I'm replacing the only two I own. I'm in my early 30s. Will use both shoes to work with navy blue or taupe Brooks Brothers slim pants (Monday-Thursday), black or dark blue jeans (Thursday/Friday). Don't want to be too formal as most people in the office (big Tech company) are very casual. But I also want to use these shoes with a suit on rare occasions (5-6 times a year).

Thank you.

If I had to stick with your options, I would go with (a) walnut clifton and black delray. My reasoning is the toe cap tends to "pop" more on walnut, while the delray does not have many features going on.
If I was going to pick two shoes to get, I would go with: (c) Strand in walnut and Leeds in black. They both go with everything you listed (just no walnut with black). Admittedly, walnut would not be my primary choice for taupe pants, but it will go just fine. Alternatively, you go for the strand in brown which also looks stellar.
post #24824 of 29118
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Originally Posted by drumerdud View Post
 

Hi Guys

 

Am going to a wedding on January...and as one of the grooms men i am required to wear light grey, white shirt, and sky blue tie.

 

 

 

 

I then have another wedding the following week, giving me my own personal choice on what to wear.

 

Please bear in mind, I live in a tropical country, so its hot all year out.

 

 

 

My question is, since I am having my first bespoke suit made for the first wedding (light grey) I might as well use the same one for my other wedding, in which I plan to wear this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

as for my shoes, I am contemplating betweek the

monks, strands, or macallisters

 

 

1) which of these would you see most fitting for a semi-formal event (mid afternoon)

2) what color
3) if you had to pick two of these, one of which for everyday use (office) and the other for a little more formal, which one would it be?

 

 

4) a little off topic, but what do you think of the shirt and tie i plan to wear?- suit i have no choice but to use that same color, but the shirt and tie, was thinking of using this as well..

 

 

or this

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks!

sorry i meant mcallisters

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Bought this jacket during Haberdash sale. Would like to pair it with jeans. Can I get away with the structured shoulders in this way? Fit in general?
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