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This may be a horribly stupid question but what is the difference between chinos and trousers? I'm still new to all this but I used to just think that chinos were cotton, trousers were woolen and never gave much though to anything else. Now I'm trying to 'dress like a man' and I've discovered a world of cotton suits, linen/silk/wool/etc pants, high rise and low rise, etc etc.
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post
 

I can't for the life of me understand why people choose to wear chinos. It isn't any harder to put on a pair of decent trousers than a pair of Dockers. They are for walking the dog, or going grocery shopping, or maybe for grabbing a pint after you have been working on the house all day. I wouldn't wear them anywhere that jeans wouldn't also be acceptable.

 

I don't care if business casual is khakis and a polo shirt in your office, put on a damn pair of pants and a real shirt so you don't look like a gym teacher. 

 

In the interest of full disclosure, I don't work in an office of any sort, so you should probably just ignore this post as you would the inane ramblings of a crazy man.

 

J

 

It depends... honestly.

At my last job, I wouldn't have felt comfortable dressing too well because my bosses didn't. Looking that much better than the bosses is weird.


Here, I can wear SC's/trousers to work everyday without people raising an eyebrow. At the previous gig, everyone would ask why I was dressed up. These two offices are in the same organization but in different departments. It really depends.

 

While I'm comfortable wearing SC's here, I wouldn't wear a suit here because that would put me on par with the people I work for. I don't want to do that because the difference in both our education and pay is worlds apart. So, I can dress as well as possible without going full on suit. I also won't wear shirts with cufflinks for the same reason.

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Originally Posted by ovlov View Post

This may be a horribly stupid question but what is the difference between chinos and trousers? I'm still new to all this but I used to just think that chinos were cotton, trousers were woolen and never gave much though to anything else. Now I'm trying to 'dress like a man' and I've discovered a world of cotton suits, linen/silk/wool/etc pants, high rise and low rise, etc etc.


I'd say that khaki's/chino's are separated from trousers/slacks by virtue of material and fit. Trousers/slacks are usually wool, which chino's are cotton. Cords are separate.

I was also under the impression that chinos were slimmer than khaki's which is how I distinguished them. Guess that was a false dichotomy!

 

Anyone more knowledgeable feel free to correct what are probably my copious errors.

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Originally Posted by DjangoV View Post

Hi guys,

I have some questions about (dress) shirts.
  1. What is the general (or your) preferred way to store (dress) shirts: hanging or folded?
  2. When/why should i wear a shirt with a button-down collar?

Just wondering...

1. Hanging

 

2. Casually; with jeans, chinos, a more casual suit (Tweed, Seersucker),  odd jackets, sweaters, shorts. It is one of the most casual button front shirts you can get, one step above a polo shirt, or a plaid flannel in terms of formality. Far too many people (Non sartorially inclined people that is) consider them dress shirts, when in fact they are way closer to a casual shirt. It is the most casual shirt you can wear with a suit, and though in the US it is often worn with business suits I feel that there are better choices.

 

J

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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 

 

It depends... honestly.

At my last job, I wouldn't have felt comfortable dressing too well because my bosses didn't. Looking that much better than the bosses is weird.


Here, I can wear SC's/trousers to work everyday without people raising an eyebrow. At the previous gig, everyone would ask why I was dressed up. These two offices are in the same organization but in different departments. It really depends.

 

While I'm comfortable wearing SC's here, I wouldn't wear a suit here because that would put me on par with the people I work for. I don't want to do that because the difference in both our education and pay is worlds apart. So, I can dress as well as possible without going full on suit. I also won't wear shirts with cufflinks for the same reason.

 

Dressing well is not a function of how formal you are. Don't confuse dressing well with dressing up.

 

If I go to the bar to catch some football, and I am wearing jeans, boots, and a plaid shirt, I am still dressed well, and I am dressed better than the ex-frat boys in suits who sell credit card processing services.

 

So within the realm of formality, you can still dress well. If a jacket and tie is too much, then trousers, nice shoes, and a shirt with maybe the cuffs turned up would be a well dressed alternative. If your boss is wearing a golf shirt, I am surely not advocating turning up in a three piece navy pinstripe suit, but I wouldn't dress like a bum just because my bosses looked like ragamuffins. If my golf shirt, pants, and shoes look nicer, and fit better than theirs, that is their problem. And honestly if they don't look good, they probably won't notice that you do, as long as you aren't the only one wearing a suit.

 

J

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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post


"Business casual" is one of those terms which takes in an awful lot of ground. It can mean anything from "your jeans should be reasonably clean" to "a pale blue shirt and/or a conservative sport coat may be substituted for the standard white shirt and grey or navy suit."

Is it common and accepted practice for the people in your business casual workplace to wear chinos? If so, then I'd say chinos are appropriate for your office's version of business casual.


Yeah, our workplace is pretty flexible. You can come in wearing a suit if you want everyday, or you can opt to wear chinos + dress shirt. Really, the only time it's mandatory for us to wear a suit is when we have clients coming over. So I guess I sort of answered my own question. I think I was more confused on the difference of chinos or khakis like some posted here. I just started hearing the word "chinos" a few years ago, and it was by celebrities who would wear them in weird colors.

 

I personally like to alternate depending on my mood (and how late I'm running).

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Originally Posted by MMoon24 View Post


Yeah, our workplace is pretty flexible. You can come in wearing a suit if you want everyday, or you can opt to wear chinos + dress shirt. Really, the only time it's mandatory for us to wear a suit is when we have clients coming over. So I guess I sort of answered my own question. I think I was more confused on the difference of chinos or khakis like some posted here. I just started hearing the word "chinos" a few years ago, and it was by celebrities who would wear them in weird colors.

I personally like to alternate depending on my mood (and how late I'm running).

My office is much the same. I am the only one in the office that wears a suit everyday, while our CEO is a dress shirt and blazer guy. They have mentioned that. I don't have to wear a suit and I respond, "my suit reminds me that I am here to work, to close deals and set the example for my team." From day to day I could be at my desk or sitting down with a doctor or a CEO of a health system. In my opinion my suit reflects the amount of respect I have for them.

Regarding button down shirts. I would never wear one with a suit and tie, and while I rarely wear a suit without a tie...I could justify a button up dress shirt if I was without a tie.
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One more question! I've had a 100 dollar Express Gift Card sitting in my wallet for quite some time. Personally, I've tried some of their suit pants and am not a huge fan. They just feel...cheap. Anything you guys would recommend?

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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post
 

 

Dressing well is not a function of how formal you are. Don't confuse dressing well with dressing up.

 

If I go to the bar to catch some football, and I am wearing jeans, boots, and a plaid shirt, I am still dressed well, and I am dressed better than the ex-frat boys in suits who sell credit card processing services.

 

So within the realm of formality, you can still dress well. If a jacket and tie is too much, then trousers, nice shoes, and a shirt with maybe the cuffs turned up would be a well dressed alternative. If your boss is wearing a golf shirt, I am surely not advocating turning up in a three piece navy pinstripe suit, but I wouldn't dress like a bum just because my bosses looked like ragamuffins. If my golf shirt, pants, and shoes look nicer, and fit better than theirs, that is their problem. And honestly if they don't look good, they probably won't notice that you do, as long as you aren't the only one wearing a suit.

 

J


Nail, meet hammer. Hammer, meet nail.


Completely agree with you.

 

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Originally Posted by MMoon24 View Post
 

One more question! I've had a 100 dollar Express Gift Card sitting in my wallet for quite some time. Personally, I've tried some of their suit pants and am not a huge fan. They just feel...cheap. Anything you guys would recommend?


I actually like some of their dress shirts, but if nothing else you can get socks. I like their socks.

If even that doesn't work for you, then I'll have you know that I'm not beyond accepting donations :p

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Originally Posted by MMoon24 View Post
 

One more question! I've had a 100 dollar Express Gift Card sitting in my wallet for quite some time. Personally, I've tried some of their suit pants and am not a huge fan. They just feel...cheap. Anything you guys would recommend?

 

Accessory type things? If you can find some scarves, socks, whatever that you like the look of or that fill a need.

 

Their clothes have always looked to me like they would fall apart after a few wearings/washings. And they tend to have that cheap cloth shine to them, that "I sell wireless phones in the mall" shine.

 

J

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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post
 

 

Accessory type things? If you can find some scarves, socks, whatever that you like the look of or that fill a need.

 

Their clothes have always looked to me like they would fall apart after a few wearings/washings. And they tend to have that cheap cloth shine to them, that "I sell wireless phones in the mall" shine.

 

J

I agree. Their shirts and pants come off feeling really cheap and crappy. And I also agree on the shine. Took one look at the materials and saw it was 40% polyester. Those guys are ripping people off.

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Nail, meet hammer. Hammer, meet nail.


Completely agree with you.

 


I actually like some of their dress shirts, but if nothing else you can get socks. I like their socks.

If even that doesn't work for you, then I'll have you know that I'm not beyond accepting donations :p

 

I will now go buy 100 dollars worth of socks xP.

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I agree the only thing I buy from express is their socks. I got monthly coupons from them and it ends up being 5 pairs for $17.
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Originally Posted by MMoon24 View Post

I agree. Their shirts and pants come off feeling really cheap and crappy. And I also agree on the shine. Took one look at the materials and saw it was 40% polyester. Those guys are ripping people off.

I will now go buy 100 dollars worth of socks xP.

Do you have any women for whom you will be buying gifts this holiday season? They seem to wear this disposable clothing.

J
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To sum it up in two words: Forever Alone.


Edited by MMoon24 - 11/19/13 at 5:45pm
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I've had a 100 dollar Express Gift Card sitting in my wallet for quite some time [...] Anything you guys would recommend?
Sell it on eBay. It'll go for $85-90, and even after eBay and PayPal fees you'll clear about enough to pay for a Sam Hober tie.
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