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Edited by rudals1281 - 8/1/13 at 11:00am
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Can alterations fix this: lapels bow out, belly stretches forward, diagonal wrinkles on shoulder, vertical wrinkles on back (photos below)? How hard/expensive is it to fix? The issue occurs with all OTR suits for which the shoulder width fits (tried dozens). If I hunch my shoulders forward, the problem mostly goes away. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
 








You have a weirdly erect posture. Do you actually stand like that, are are you just doing it for photos? Because if that's not actually how you stand, relax and try looking at the fit again. Jackets are made to fit an average posture, not somebody who looks like he's standing at attention all day.

If it's not just an issue of you pretending to stand more erect than you actually do for whatever reason, you're probably going to have to have suits custom made.
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Anyone know if this is traditional fit or slim fit? And is this website legit? (Yes, I see that it says modern fit but would like to get an opinion or two from someone who actually owns or owned them)
http://tiedeals.com/collections/kiton/products/copy-of-copy-of-kiton-dress-shirt-light-blue-new
I know you didn't ask whether this shirt is worth it, but why would you pay $450 for 1 shirt? You can get custom-made shirts for about $150 per.
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I know you didn't ask whether this shirt is worth it, but why would you pay $450 for 1 shirt? You can get custom-made shirts for about $150 per.

Okay, so I can get a custom-made shirt that is similar to this Kiton in all aspects of quality for around $150?

I am really starting to think I need to stop buy stuff at full retail because I've been told time after time that bespoke is the way to go. 

But in terms of construction, fabric quality, etc, can this really be matched?

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Originally Posted by rudals1281 View Post

Okay, so I can get a custom-made shirt that is similar to this Kiton in all aspects of quality for around $150?
I am really starting to think I need to stop buy stuff at full retail because I've been told time after time that bespoke is the way to go. 
But in terms of construction, fabric quality, etc, can this really be matched?
I'm sure there are some things about the Kiton that will be better than the custom shirts, like handwork and fabric. However, if the shirt doesn't fit you well, then it won't look as good as one that is custom made.

I guess a lot depends on where you are. Do you have a complete shirt wardrobe already and are just looking for a very luxurious shirt? Are you wearing $5000 dollar suits? If so then I guess go for it. I suspect most of us are closer to a 10/1 or greater suit/shirt cost ratio.
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I'm sure there are some things about the Kiton that will be better than the custom shirts, like handwork and fabric. However, if the shirt doesn't fit you well, then it won't look as good as one that is custom made.

I guess a lot depends on where you are. Do you have a complete shirt wardrobe already and are just looking for a very luxurious shirt? Are you wearing $5000 dollar suits? If so then I guess go for it. I suspect most of us are closer to a 10/1 or greater suit/shirt cost ratio.

I think I am definitely in the minority here in the forum. I guess people can call me an idiot (I would) but I've purchased 5 suits within a year at full prices. Dumb?! Probably. Why did I do it? Well, when I walk into a Zegna store, I find my size, put it on, the fit is (surprisingly) excellent, and then the transaction is over. So why go bespoke? It's simple.

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You have a weirdly erect posture. Do you actually stand like that, are are you just doing it for photos? Because if that's not actually how you stand, relax and try looking at the fit again. Jackets are made to fit an average posture, not somebody who looks like he's standing at attention all day.

If it's not just an issue of you pretending to stand more erect than you actually do for whatever reason, you're probably going to have to have suits custom made.

I tried to stand normally, I guess I have a strange posture. Thanks for the answer. To help me stoop forward, maybe I should put my bottom vest button in the pants' buttonhole :)

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No.

Charts for converting sizes: http://www.us-militarysurplus.com/new_scart/US-MilitarySurplusSizes.asp

 

 

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No US 38 == EU 54

 

For men's pants, subtract 16 from the number.

Thank you both!

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Originally Posted by rudals1281 View Post

I think I am definitely in the minority here in the forum. I guess people can call me an idiot (I would) but I've purchased 5 suits within a year at full prices. Dumb?! Probably. Why did I do it? Well, when I walk into a Zegna store, I find my size, put it on, the fit is (surprisingly) excellent, and then the transaction is over. So why go bespoke? It's simple.
I suppose if you are buying full-price Zegna suits, then why not get a Kiton shirt.
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I suppose if you are buying full-price Zegna suits, then why not get a Kiton shirt.

How do then do the SF members end up with brands such as Brioni and Kiton and buy them at discounted prices???? Ebay? The marketplace on this forum?
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How do then do the SF members end up with brands such as Brioni and Kiton and buy them at discounted prices???? Ebay? The marketplace on this forum?

 

I don't know that they do end up with these brands at a discount. Possibly the marketplace. I suspect there are not a lot of SF members buying $400-500 OTR shirts nor $5k OTR suits. Most are probably bespoke at those prices.
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I don't know that they do end up with these brands at a discount. Possibly the marketplace. I suspect there are not a lot of SF members buying $400-500 OTR shirts nor $5k OTR suits. Most are probably bespoke at those prices.

Gosh darn it. I just realized that I am a FRP (Full Retail Price) shopper. I know I said it many times before but it all comes down to finding what brand fits me, quality, and time. I am definitely in the minority as a FRP shopper. 

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Originally Posted by rudals1281 View Post

Okay, so I can get a custom-made shirt that is similar to this Kiton in all aspects of quality for around $150?
I am really starting to think I need to stop buy stuff at full retail because I've been told time after time that bespoke is the way to go. 
But in terms of construction, fabric quality, etc, can this really be matched?

you will not get a custom made shirt for $150 that compares to the Kiton shirt
they are using fantastic fabric and trims.
is the hand work important? your call.

fit will determine the reason to go custom
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Originally Posted by Undone View Post

Can alterations fix this: lapels bow out, belly stretches forward, diagonal wrinkles on shoulder, vertical wrinkles on back (photos below)? How hard/expensive is it to fix? The issue occurs with all OTR suits for which the shoulder width fits (tried dozens). If I hunch my shoulders forward, the problem mostly goes away.
 







return that jacket immediately.
there is no way to make that wearable.
I dont think your posture is that odd .
take a photo in just a shirt and pants.
and relax during the photo
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