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post #22606 of 28506
No, braces are not ostentatious.
post #22607 of 28506
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Originally Posted by becnal View Post

No, braces are not ostentatious.
Somewhat more to the point, braces are similar to underwear, in that they are not meant to be displayed in public. So just as one could wear purple and orange boxers with pictures of Taz, the Tazmanian Devil, on them, even at a very formal and conservative wedding, and not have to worry very much about being criticized for wearing inappropriate underwear (since who's going to be seeing them?), so is one free to wear ostentatious braces. That which goes unseen is unlikely to be criticized for its appearance - which is why it's possible to get hired by even a conservative law firm despite having one or more profane words tattooed on your butt.

Now, I fully appreciate that some men do display their braces in public, walking around at work, at a wedding, at wherever, with jacket removed, thus displaying their braces to the world. And a man who intends to ignore the traditional rule about keeping his jacket on and keeping his braces to himself, might understandably be concerned with how his braces will be judged by those around him.

Similarly, some men may finding "saggin'" to be a splendid sartorial practice. These men may choose to wear their pants down low, such that their underwear is clearly visible. And I imagine that such men might likewise be concerned with whether their Tazmanian Devil boxers would be overly ostentatious to wear to a wedding.

But I still maintain that in both cases, the issue isn't truly "Is this ostentatious?" Rather, the real issue is, "Should I be exposing these clothing items to public view?"

And if the answer is, "No, I should not be exposing these clothing items to public view," then that's the answer, even if you fear that someone might harass you for it.
post #22608 of 28506
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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post

Somewhat more to the point, braces are similar to underwear, in that they are not meant to be displayed in public.

For my wedding a few years back, I had a 3-piece charcoal suit done up and found a pair of suspenders in burgundy with a whimsical navy pattern and black leather attachments. I'll be wearing that same suit (without the vest) to a funeral next week -- but just to be safe I'll be swapping out the burgundy/navy suspenders for a black satin set normally worn with the black tie rig.

Granted, it's best to avoid removing a jacket... but it can't hurt to plan for contingencies. OP: by the time in the reception that House of Pain's "Jump Around" is blaring and folks are drunk enough to be jacketless on the dance floor, nobody is likely to give you any grief about suspenders.
post #22609 of 28506
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Originally Posted by Oysters View Post

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Originally Posted by Man Of Lint View Post

Oysters, do not engage.

Welcome to Styleforum.
Dear Man of Lint,

Thank you, but what do you mean by "do not engage?"

It means do not buy them.
post #22610 of 28506
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Originally Posted by Man Of Lint View Post

It means do not buy them.
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post #22611 of 28506
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Originally Posted by sean anon View Post

Is this fit of this sportcoat unbalanced?  Is the (too) short look with the heavy lapels a poor look?  And does the styling look dated?

 

 

 

It's certainly an old-fashioned look, but that in itself doesn't mean it isn't stylish.  Personally, I like it.  The problem is that the existing shape makes your hips look as wide as your shoulders.  We're not all underwear models around here, but the cut of the jacket can be a lot more flattering: firstly, with such a heavy jacket, patch pockets will make you look wider.  Not necessarily the optimum thing.  Secondly, regardless of that, you want jacket that is both a touch longer and with a lower button stance.  This will make the whole silhouette a little more stretched out and I think flatter you more.  If this is off the peg, you might even get a long version of the same size (making the buttons lower), and take it up just a touch if you need to.  Good luck.

 

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It means do not buy them.

 

Indeed.  Oyster, really, read a few threads about shoes on here.  What you are considering buying is utter, meritless, irredeemable dogshit, for the following reasons:

 

1. They do have square toes.  Square toes are bad, unless they are a "chiseled toe" or "soft square" which is more like a point that's been cut off.  These are just square, and I repeat, square is indeed very bad.

 

2.  They are cheap and nasty.  The leather is plastic-coated shaved off dick skin and will never look nice whatever you do to it.  Within a few short wears it will be covered in tiny wrinkles that cannot be removed, and eventually fall to pieces.

 

3.  They have plastic soles.  There are some synthetic soles that you will find to be "SF-approved", such as Dainite and Vibram.  They are approved as practical wet weather alternatives to leather that will last a long time and are cut and shaped to fit under the welt of the shoe just like a leather one.  Therefore they are always attached to properly-made shoes.

 

4.  But what you have is a moulded piece of plastic like a sneaker sole, that is glued on to your plasticated "leather" uppper.  It looks awful, and will eventually fall apart too.

 

 

Now, just because you looked at a pair of really awful shoes, doesn't make you a bad person.  It just means you don't know much about shoes.  Read this forum for a couple of weeks and your knowledge will increase exponentially.  Also, maybe visit a quality American shoe store like Allen Edmonds, and ask the salesman why their shoes are better than J&M.  Hopefully, even the greenest AE bottom-feeder will be able to give you "Shoes 1.1", while pointing out the different elements on the shoes themselves.  This will help you a lot.

 

The other factor at play here is that you were looking for a $100 pair of shoes.  I quite understand that not everyone can buy really expensive stuff.  However, there are properly made, leather-soled shoes out there that look respectable and don't require the sale of any internal organs:

 

Firstly, check out barely-used or seconds from the likes of AE, Alden and any number of English makers, on eBay.  Popular English makers, in rising order of price but all of reasonable quality are:

 

Loake, Barker, Grenson, Cheaney, Church's, Tricker's, Crockett & Jones, Edward Green, John Lobb.

 

You will find literally thousands of pairs on clearance from the first three, especially coming from their Indian-made ranges, for about $150.  As most of those prices will include a UK sales tax (VAT), the shipping cost will only add up to about the same as the quoted price.  Make sure they will ship by EMS (Post Office/USPS) - it will save you a lot of fees when you receive them in the US.

 

If you don't want to use eBay, then Allen Edmonds currently have a sale on (www.allenedmonds.com) and plenty of good things for about $250.

 

For new stuff at about $150, there are the Indian-made Loakes and Barkers, available from:

 

www.herringshoes.co.uk

www.pediwear.co.uk

www.theshoehealer.co.uk

 

Herring already have their summer sale on, too.  Pediwear always ship by EMS (the others you have to ask, but will do it).  All have great service.

 

And additionally, for a broader international selection of reasonably-priced shoes, try:

 

www.edetal.sg - highly rated small maker from Singapore with some really stylish stuff at crazy prices

 

www.shoepassion.de - German maker with a good range

 

www.meermin.es - good value Spanish maker, although some issues over delivery times (make sure what you order is in stock; email or call before ordering)

 

 

Finally, the bargain basement: www.samuelwindsor.co.uk  This stuff's really cheap, and some of the leather looks it.  But they're properly made, the service is good, and a suede pair I got my son for about $50 are the kind of value I just can't argue with.

 

Go read, and buy some decent shoes. :)

post #22612 of 28506
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

The leather is plastic-coated shaved off dick skin and will never look nice whatever you do to it.

Classic!
post #22613 of 28506
Mimo at first I thought wtf . Upon reading I found a very helpful and practical post. thanks
post #22614 of 28506

Any idea's how to keep my pants up? A belt doesn't seem to help (neither does tightening it -- and suspenders aren't an option), it keeps dropping off my belly everytime and moves to my hips. 

post #22615 of 28506
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

 

It's certainly an old-fashioned look, but that in itself doesn't mean it isn't stylish.  Personally, I like it.  The problem is that the existing shape makes your hips look as wide as your shoulders.  We're not all underwear models around here, but the cut of the jacket can be a lot more flattering: firstly, with such a heavy jacket, patch pockets will make you look wider.  Not necessarily the optimum thing.  Secondly, regardless of that, you want jacket that is both a touch longer and with a lower button stance.  This will make the whole silhouette a little more stretched out and I think flatter you more.  If this is off the peg, you might even get a long version of the same size (making the buttons lower), and take it up just a touch if you need to.  Good luck.

 

 


 

 

Thanks. The thing is this jacket makes me look worse than reality it seems which is opposite the point of tailored clothes.  My shoulders are 19.5 I am a 42 chest and a 34 waist and am 6'1 and I think this may make me look shorter and fatter. 

 

I don't know if more waist suppression would help here or I need to write this off?  It is a shame as the fabric is nice and has a lot of life left but on the other hand it is old and I could replace it.

post #22616 of 28506

In that case it's definitely not flattering you!  It could definitely do with taking in from the waist down, and letting down a touch if that's possible.  There's not much to be done about the button stance, but the other adjustments might help.

post #22617 of 28506
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

 

It's certainly an old-fashioned look, but that in itself doesn't mean it isn't stylish.  Personally, I like it.  The problem is that the existing shape makes your hips look as wide as your shoulders.  We're not all underwear models around here, but the cut of the jacket can be a lot more flattering: firstly, with such a heavy jacket, patch pockets will make you look wider.  Not necessarily the optimum thing.  Secondly, regardless of that, you want jacket that is both a touch longer and with a lower button stance.  This will make the whole silhouette a little more stretched out and I think flatter you more.  If this is off the peg, you might even get a long version of the same size (making the buttons lower), and take it up just a touch if you need to.  Good luck.

 

 

Indeed.  Oyster, really, read a few threads about shoes on here.  What you are considering buying is utter, meritless, irredeemable dogshit, for the following reasons:

 

1. They do have square toes.  Square toes are bad, unless they are a "chiseled toe" or "soft square" which is more like a point that's been cut off.  These are just square, and I repeat, square is indeed very bad.

 

2.  They are cheap and nasty.  The leather is plastic-coated shaved off dick skin and will never look nice whatever you do to it.  Within a few short wears it will be covered in tiny wrinkles that cannot be removed, and eventually fall to pieces.

 

3.  They have plastic soles.  There are some synthetic soles that you will find to be "SF-approved", such as Dainite and Vibram.  They are approved as practical wet weather alternatives to leather that will last a long time and are cut and shaped to fit under the welt of the shoe just like a leather one.  Therefore they are always attached to properly-made shoes.

 

4.  But what you have is a moulded piece of plastic like a sneaker sole, that is glued on to your plasticated "leather" uppper.  It looks awful, and will eventually fall apart too.

 

 

Now, just because you looked at a pair of really awful shoes, doesn't make you a bad person.  It just means you don't know much about shoes.  Read this forum for a couple of weeks and your knowledge will increase exponentially.  Also, maybe visit a quality American shoe store like Allen Edmonds, and ask the salesman why their shoes are better than J&M.  Hopefully, even the greenest AE bottom-feeder will be able to give you "Shoes 1.1", while pointing out the different elements on the shoes themselves.  This will help you a lot.

 

The other factor at play here is that you were looking for a $100 pair of shoes.  I quite understand that not everyone can buy really expensive stuff.  However, there are properly made, leather-soled shoes out there that look respectable and don't require the sale of any internal organs:

 

Firstly, check out barely-used or seconds from the likes of AE, Alden and any number of English makers, on eBay.  Popular English makers, in rising order of price but all of reasonable quality are:

 

Loake, Barker, Grenson, Cheaney, Church's, Tricker's, Crockett & Jones, Edward Green, John Lobb.

 

You will find literally thousands of pairs on clearance from the first three, especially coming from their Indian-made ranges, for about $150.  As most of those prices will include a UK sales tax (VAT), the shipping cost will only add up to about the same as the quoted price.  Make sure they will ship by EMS (Post Office/USPS) - it will save you a lot of fees when you receive them in the US.

 

If you don't want to use eBay, then Allen Edmonds currently have a sale on (www.allenedmonds.com) and plenty of good things for about $250.

 

For new stuff at about $150, there are the Indian-made Loakes and Barkers, available from:

 

www.herringshoes.co.uk

www.pediwear.co.uk

www.theshoehealer.co.uk

 

Herring already have their summer sale on, too.  Pediwear always ship by EMS (the others you have to ask, but will do it).  All have great service.

 

And additionally, for a broader international selection of reasonably-priced shoes, try:

 

www.edetal.sg - highly rated small maker from Singapore with some really stylish stuff at crazy prices

 

www.shoepassion.de - German maker with a good range

 

www.meermin.es - good value Spanish maker, although some issues over delivery times (make sure what you order is in stock; email or call before ordering)

 

 

Finally, the bargain basement: www.samuelwindsor.co.uk  This stuff's really cheap, and some of the leather looks it.  But they're properly made, the service is good, and a suede pair I got my son for about $50 are the kind of value I just can't argue with.

 

Go read, and buy some decent shoes. :)

informative

post #22618 of 28506

I wanna buy some basic tees, yeah, really basic pieces, V-neck, crew neck, almost every man wears everyday.  those can be worn as a layer or simply worn out in hot summer days. I heard that the basic tees from Japanese labels use really nice cotton ( Buzz Rickson, etc)  but not readily available and price is a bit high for me.

Any suggestions are appreciated.

post #22619 of 28506
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Originally Posted by longwalker View Post

I wanna buy some basic tees, yeah, really basic pieces, V-neck, crew neck, almost every man wears everyday.  those can be worn as a layer or simply worn out in hot summer days. I heard that the basic tees from Japanese labels use really nice cotton ( Buzz Rickson, etc)  but not readily available and price is a bit high for me.
Any suggestions are appreciated.

Off The Cuff recently featured shirts from Ribbed Tee which seemed like a good option.

I haven't tried them, yet, so no first hand experience.
post #22620 of 28506

What to wear for my sister’s wedding?

The wedding is at august and it’s going to be an outside wedding (HOT!!)

Where I live nobody wears suits to weddings so I am looking for something not formal.

I was thinking chino pants with a button up shirt and a sports coat but I am a little stuck with the colors and the patterns (and shoes).

Can anyone help me with the mixing and matching of this?

I am about 5.7 ft. tall very slim, 24 year old male.

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