Rudals: my middle way is a Shelby/Pratt knot. A nice even triangle like a windsor, but quick, flat under the collar --and doesn't shorten your tie so much.
Asturiano: they're certainly a very old-fashioned shape. I'm no C&J expert, but can't help wondering if they're real. Either way they're terribly ugly, don't buy them.
Edited by mimo - 6/29/13 at 3:35am