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post #22366 of 28247
I'm filling out my beginners wardrobe. I currently have 4 ties including a navy and a red/navy/white striped one that have the heaviest rotation. As I'm looking to add more is it bad I'm drawn to the same colours? Is it boring/pointless to end up with over half my ties some variant of navy/red even if they're all different shades and designs? Otherwise what else should I be looking out for?
post #22367 of 28247
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Originally Posted by olencjusz23 View Post

Guys I'm really anxious about my order and I don't know if it's going to match;I've already got my suit and I like it, however I just ordered my brogues online and I'm not sure if it's going to match.. It's for prom.

What do you think? 

 

http://www.asos.com/ASOS/ASOS-Brogue-Toe-Cap-Shoes-in-Leather/Prod/pgeproduct.aspx?iid=2799684&cid=11941&sh=0&pge=1&pgesize=36&sort=-1&clr=Tan

 

http://www.next.co.uk/x512430s2

 

I take it you're in the UK?

 

OK, let's skip past the obvious question of why you're wearing a skinny lounge suit to a "prom" - I've no idea what a "prom" means to you or what your friends will be wearing.  But in my ignorance, I would have assumed you should be wearing black tie.

 

Anyway, you're a young fellow who needs a suit, that cheap nasty you've ordered from Next is of (just about) appropriate colour and style to be used in most work environments (until you get paid, and can dump it for a better one), so fine.  And if you're not wearing a dinner suit, or even a particularly formal lounge suit, I guess there's no point in suggesting that country casual leisure shoes (brown brogues) are totally wrong for a formal evening event.  So is the suit.  So in that sense, they match if that's your choice.

 

But, fifty quid or not, they're utter shit. Plastic soled, glued together, and quite possibly about to fall apart before the evening is over.  If you want shit brogues for fifty pounds, buy these or these or these instead.  They are the same price or cheaper, and will at least last you until you can buy better ones, because they're made the same way as most good shoes are.

 

However, do check what others are wearing.  Especially if you're fortunate enough to be picking up a young lady to take to this event.  She might well be expecting a higher standard, as she will be wearing (don't doubt it) a formal evening dress, so should be expecting the same of you.  Imagine how you'd feel if you'd bought your best evening suit, and your date turned up to collect you and meet your mum, in jeans and trainers, saying "yeah, well this is what my mates are wearing...wha'evaaaah!".

 

So, think again, really: from the same place, with the same budget, you'd be better off with this, this and these.  Of course it can only be used for formal events, and of course it's just as crap as your lounge suit./shirt/tie choices above.  Nevertheless, particularly if you're off to university at some point, you might find you have more excuses to wear it than you thought.  And really, your date will be a lot more impressed with a young man who knows what proper clothes for an evening function look like.

 

Which then takes us back to shoes.  Alas, all shit from Next, whereas unlike suits, you CAN get properly made ones for that price, as above.  So try these.  They are just about acceptable with black tie, and also top of your list of essentials for interviews and future business wear.  Forty quid well spent for a man in your position, I'd say.

post #22368 of 28247
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Originally Posted by ovlov View Post

I'm filling out my beginners wardrobe. I currently have 4 ties including a navy and a red/navy/white striped one that have the heaviest rotation. As I'm looking to add more is it bad I'm drawn to the same colours? Is it boring/pointless to end up with over half my ties some variant of navy/red even if they're all different shades and designs? Otherwise what else should I be looking out for?

 

I also have the habit of buying similar ties more than once.  I would suggest your next three ties are:

 

1. burgundy with a (very) small pattern e.g. pindot, or just solid

 

2. moss green or rust coloured grenadine or knitted tie, for less formality when required

 

3. plain black silk; boring, but every man should have one for funerals

 

At that point you're pretty much sorted for any occasion bar black tie (perhaps the dinner suit etc are for your next step).  I'd also suggest adding a couple of plain white pocket handkerchiefs if you don't yet have any.

 

And never, ever forget good shoes.  If you can't afford good shoes, at least get properly-made ones, and not the plastic-and-glue turds available in your local chain store.  See my post above.

post #22369 of 28247
well I'm shopping for a basic Navy Suit (I rarely wear suiting nowadays, except during meeting with Big Bosses and special occasions)...Any thoughts with the following options is much appreciated
- traveling MTM Tailor where measurements can be taken in person (around $950 full canvass)
- Affiliate vendors where measurements are taken over email/back and forth communication ($850 full canvass); I am a little uncomfortable with this option but would like to try
- OTR BB on sale for $700

Thanks in advance....
post #22370 of 28247

Hey everyone,

 

Newbie building up his wardrobe (20 year old student). I already have dark brown suede desert boots, with which I'm very satisfied. I've come to the conclusion that I need bucks. My question is: which color should I get, and what material (in view of versatility, combined with the desert boots). I was thinking maybe light brown suede, like this:

 

https://svpply.com/item/415918/Sanders_Suede_Buck_Derby_Shoe_Dirty

 

Or should I go with a louder color, like olive or dark blue?

 

As a follow up, what kind of belt is appropriate with the dirty brown one? (or olive or dark blue)

post #22371 of 28247
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Originally Posted by Thanks SF (a new me) View Post

Any thoughts with the following options is much appreciated
Difficult to give you sound advice on MTM vs. OTR, when you don't say whether OTR typically fits you tolerably well. There are plenty of men who can buy OTR, get some rather basic alterations done, and have a suit which fits them splendidly. There are others for whom MTM wouuld be by far the more sensible choice, given that OTR suits do not fit them well at all.

So, into which category do you fall?

As a very general rule to which many exceptions exist, if OTR fits you fairly well, you will tend to get "more for your money" when buying OTR, than when buying MTM, assuming both suits are comparably priced (and that the price is below about $1000.) And no, I can offer no proof of this - it's just a conclusion I've reached over time. My guess is that it's due to various cost savings having to do with inventory issues and economies of scale which are available to an OTR retailer like, say, Brooks Brothers. Savings which are simply not present in anything like similar degree to the typical MTM tailor/retailer.

That having been said, if for whatever reason it does make sense to go the MTM route, I'd surely prefer having the tailor measure me in person, to emailing my various measurements to someone.

As for the MTM suit being full canvas and the OTR suit being (presumably) half canvas (as is the case with Brooks' 1818 line, I believe)... look, I get that one of the first things someone who starts educating himself about quality suits learns is that full canvas is quality, and half canvas is garbage. But the truth of the matter is, a current (yes, there have been significant improvement in this area over the years) half canvassed suit can actually be okay. And a full canvassed suit can still be disappointing.

I'm not denying that if I were dropping thousands of dollars on a bespoke suit, that I'd want it fully canvassed. Certainly I would. But I am suggesting that it's sometimes easy to place too much emphasis on this one point, to the extent that it takes on undue importance in the decision-making process - particularly when you're talking about quite good half canvassed suits, and relatively inexpensive fully canvassed ones. (And sub-$1000 MTM pretty much qualifies as relatively inexpensive.)

Oh, and particularly if you rarely wear suits (which you state to be the case), and therefore probably rarely need to have them cleaned and pressed, I wonder if the full vs. half issue might not be even less compelling. (At least in my experience, frequent cleaning and pressing will tend to exaggerate the difference between full and half canvas.)

Well, just some things maybe worth considering.
post #22372 of 28247
@12345Michael, thanks for your thoughtful response. Your points are well taken.
post #22373 of 28247


how is the fit and length of this suit?
post #22374 of 28247
sorry double post
post #22375 of 28247
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Originally Posted by GreenGranted View Post

Hey everyone,

 

Newbie building up his wardrobe (20 year old student). I already have dark brown suede desert boots, with which I'm very satisfied. I've come to the conclusion that I need bucks. My question is: which color should I get, and what material (in view of versatility, combined with the desert boots). I was thinking maybe light brown suede, like this:

 

https://svpply.com/item/415918/Sanders_Suede_Buck_Derby_Shoe_Dirty

 

Or should I go with a louder color, like olive or dark blue?

 

As a follow up, what kind of belt is appropriate with the dirty brown one? (or olive or dark blue)

 

I would go with suede navy bucks. But actually, why not black/burgundy penny loafers? These are more appropriate on campus and will dramatically increase the versatility of your shoes wardrobe. Suede bucks and suede desert boots are interchangeable and mostly casual; a pair of penny loafers can be used for both casual and slightly formal occasions while affording you much more variety in terms of texture and style.

post #22376 of 28247
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Originally Posted by kungfuninja View Post

how is the fit and length of this suit?
Almost impossible to determine, given that:

(1) your arms are not in the conventional "how does this suit fit?" position;
(2) it's extremely helpful in judging suit fit to see pics from not just in front, but also from the side and back;
(3) the untucked shirt makes it a little confusing to judge jacket length relative to your waist (as would jeans, even with a tucked shirt, since one typically wears jeans lower than one wears suit pants) (not that suit jacket length is best determined relative to one's waist, but given (1) and (2), above, it's about all that's left).

For what little it's worth, the suit jacket doesn't look ridiculously short or tight, as so many do these days given prevailing fashion trends. But more than that, I really can't say.

Why not try again, providing the three pictures I've suggested, with your hands hanging naturally at your sides, while wearing the pants that came with the suit and a tucked in shirt? Then, it'd be pretty easy to judge. (The pants will presumably be uncuffed. That's okay. Pants length can be ignored.)
post #22377 of 28247
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Originally Posted by ovlov View Post

I'm filling out my beginners wardrobe. I currently have 4 ties including a navy and a red/navy/white striped one that have the heaviest rotation. As I'm looking to add more is it bad I'm drawn to the same colours? Is it boring/pointless to end up with over half my ties some variant of navy/red even if they're all different shades and designs? Otherwise what else should I be looking out for?

I would go for a balance.  A few solids are a fantastic addition to any wardrobe.  Red, Navy and Burgundy are almost a must in my opinion.  A black tie for more formal / black tie events and a light blue / pink solid tie can also work to provide breadth and diversity to your wardrobe.  Also, getting a few regimental stripes is definitely required, especially if you are wearing these ties for corporate functions or the office.  Neat patterns (repeating small patterns) general work very well also, like small squares, dots etc.

 

Finally, I would add some novelty ties, like the Hermes / Ferragamo / Vineyard Vines style ties with animal motif prints.  They can really bring an outfit to life, and are more exciting than some of the more traditional (though classic) ties. 

 

In general, I would have the vast majority of my ties in Navy, Burgundy, Red (traditional) and Light Blue and Lilac to help balance things out and add some flair to your wardrobe.  Then, I would balance out the remaining (20% or so) with more playful colors like orange, light green etc that you can wear to weddings, St. Patricks day etc, or just in general if you are going for a more fun look.

 

Please feel free to read up more about neckties on my blog at http://suitupdressup.wordpress.com/category/ties/ or feel free to sign up for the blog's first ever newsletter, a 27 page detailed insight into neckties at: http://suitupdressup.wordpress.com/newsletter-signup-2/

 

Please feel free to message me on here with any questions you may have.

post #22378 of 28247
^An event that says "Black tie" demands a tuxedo and a black BOWTIE. While a skinny black tie or whatnot might be fun for cocktail parties, a long tie should never be worn for black tie. It's grown more common these days, but it's still incorrect, and it looks really stupid.
post #22379 of 28247

Exactly so.  A long black tie is for funerals, and should be of normal width.  Unless you're starting a Ska band/ Blues Brothers tribute.

post #22380 of 28247
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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post

^An event that says "Black tie" demands a tuxedo and a black BOWTIE. While a skinny black tie or whatnot might be fun for cocktail parties, a long tie should never be worn for black tie. It's grown more common these days, but it's still incorrect, and it looks really stupid.

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Exactly so.  A long black tie is for funerals, and should be of normal width.  Unless you're starting a Ska band/ Blues Brothers tribute.

Definitely. That was some pretty bad advice there. Long black ties for formalwear and Vineyard Vines ties to "bring an outfit to life"? uhoh.gif
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