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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post


Black suit and white shirt has never been reserved for formalwear only. Absolutely never. The recent stupidity about white shirts on this forum is one member expressing his opinion and others taking it as gospel, and the nonsense on black suits is an iGent myth. You are not approaching this from the view of classic menswear orthodoxy, you are approaching this from the view of Styleforum and iGent orthodoxy, which is a mixture of rules, some classic, some invented, and stylistic preferences- like the preference for blue shirts over white, brown shoes over black, the distaste for black in general. Threads such as the good taste thread and the WAYWRN provide a lot of very good examples of the SF house style, but they are not comprehensive compendiums of all that classic menswear has to offer. It is elegant daywear that fits in either classic and contemporary settings- it's just not within the parameters of the SF preferred aesthetic.
Not all opinions are equal. If you had just said that you would choose a navy or a gray suit, I wouldn't have cared. I would have agreed, even. I prefer those colors myself. If you had offered that you think a light blue shirt would have been better, I would have disagreed, but whatever. But you told him to avoid a white shirt, which is, by any historic rule, but any sense of color theory, by any judgement of good taste, the entirely best choice with a black suit, and the only support you offered were weakly related personal associations that you generalized to everybody else.

 

Pretty hard to give advice without generalising.  I respect that you do not share my opinion,  It's OK, I'm giving my advice, not yours, ours, or Styleforum's.  But as you've raised the issue, I usually wear black shoes for a business suit, I prefer a triangular Pratt-Shelby knot to the StyleForum schoolboy standard four in hand, I think not wearing socks with shoes is a sin, and 90% of "model" fits on SF are a size too small.  I agree that there is a certain "StyleForum preferred aesthetic" on many things.  But a white shirt and black suit is not the best option for daywear, in my opinion, and on this issue that opinion coincides with the "iGent orthodoxy".  A white shirt looks stunning with a blue or grey suit, especially for a really business-y look.  But with a black suit, I'd usually leave it for bouncers, valet parkers and ticket collectors.  

 

This really makes you cross, doesn't it?  I sympathise.  Every time I see jeans, cargo pants or "sneakers" in the WAYWRN thread, a little piece of me dies.  :)

post #21647 of 27531
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

But with a black suit, I'd usually leave it for bouncers, valet parkers and ticket collectors. 

 

 

Holy Macaroni!

I have a black suit in my rotation and sorry to say I am none of the above LOL. Anyways, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Here's mine: I love black suits with white shirts. It's just so gosh darn traditional and solid. I usually don't go crazy with ties, just go with a light blue, red, or even royal blue and a pocket square is a must have (white silk). 


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Your post was brilliant until the last sentence.  I don't really give a fuck what your clothes cost, and even less who sold them to you.  Talking about THAT sort of thing is VERY bad taste!

 

But apart from that, I accept and respect your points entirely, and I'm sure you look very sharp indeed.  Each to his own, and it's not as if I've never worn black and white either, I'm just enjoying the privilege of sweeping generalisations and comical imagery with utter strangers on the internet, that some people find more obnoxious than others!

 

I'm glad you also have a sense of humour. :)

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Your post was brilliant until the last sentence.  I don't really give a fuck what your clothes cost, and even less who sold them to you.  Talking about THAT sort of thing is VERY bad taste!

 

But apart from that, I accept and respect your points entirely, and I'm sure you look very sharp indeed.  Each to his own, and it's not as if I've never worn black and white either, I'm just enjoying the privilege of sweeping generalisations and comical imagery with utter strangers on the internet, that some people find more obnoxious than others!

 

I'm glad you also have a sense of humour. :)

 

 

Guilty as charged. I gotta stop being so chauvinistic(?). My apologies.

Anyhow, I look at black suits, navy blue suits, and charcoal grey suits, as playing it safe and it is quite impossible to mis-coordinate if you have some decent taste. However, I sometimes want to be "GQ-ish" sometimes and that's why I've ventured into buying this and other more interesting suits. I am done buying black, navy blue, and charcoal. I am going to try to be more "interesting" in how I dress. And by no means am I saying you cannot looking "interesting" or stylish in black, navy, or charcoal suits. A light blue shirt is all I need for this suit.

 

 

post #21651 of 27531

Today I got the the Harris Tweed jacket I posted about a few days ago. First impression, the material is quite wonderful, and I feel really comfortable in it. Second impression, it doesn't fit perfectly. Okay, I didn't expect it to in the first place, so that's why I'm here again.

 

 

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What should and can be altered so that the jacket can fit me better? I got it from eBay for cheap so I really don't mind spending on some alterations.

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With my Harris tweed the single vent in the back pulls open because of my rather large buttocks. Is there anyway to fix this without making the jacket look odd when worn? It's also only a big issue when I'm walking, if I'm standing around it isn't too bad but after walking it looks like someone cut the jacket apart.
post #21653 of 27531
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Originally Posted by aglose View Post

With my Harris tweed the single vent in the back pulls open because of my rather large buttocks. Is there anyway to fix this without making the jacket look odd when worn? It's also only a big issue when I'm walking, if I'm standing around it isn't too bad but after walking it looks like someone cut the jacket apart.
squats?
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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

squats?

That's what caused the problem in the first place. I squat about 400lbs which makes my butt large and pushes the sides of my single vented jackets out a bit more then is probably acceptable.
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im trying to put together an outfit for an upcoming event and could use some advice. its a cast party for a play i was recently involved in, and the dress code isn't well defined but it seems to be semi-formal or formal type feel (at least it was the last time i went). due to the fact that i haven't really updated anything in the dressier side of my wardrobe since I lost quite a bit of weight i don't have much to work with at the moment so ill be buying stuff. i don't mind spending a little bit but i am a college student on a budget so funds are somewhat limited. here's what im working with:
-i'm about 5'7 160lbs,a bit more muscular than average but not anything spectacular.
-i do have a white dress shirt and grey pinstripe dress pants that i wore at my sisters wedding recently, both from express.

I was thinking of doing a vest/dress pants/dress shirt/tie combo, im decent at color matching (although advice would be appreciated), but im clueless on the finer details of styles.

any advice appreciated
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Originally Posted by madmike13 View Post

im trying to put together an outfit for an upcoming event and could use some advice. its a cast party for a play i was recently involved in, and the dress code isn't well defined but it seems to be semi-formal or formal type feel (at least it was the last time i went).
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I was thinking of doing a vest/dress pants/dress shirt/tie combo
The typical cast party to which a college student such as yourself would be invited would more likely feature jeans, than formal or semi-formal dress, but if you've been to one before, and you tell me it'll be formal or semi-formal, I guess I have to believe you. (Although note my comment on formal attire, below.)

Wear your white shirt. Pull on a pair of chinos. Buy an inexpensive navy blazer off eBay. There. The bulk of your work is done, and you haven't spent big money, either.

I'd add a tie, maybe even a bow tie. Almost any tie will be at least tolerable with a white shirt, chinos, and navy blazer.

If you own a pair of loafers, wear 'em. If not, well, shoes that'll work with chinos and a navy blazer aren't all that hard to find; you might already have a suitable pair.

The above is much better than the vest and grey pinstriped dress pants look you mentioned. It'll serve you adequately assuming most of the other male guests at the party are wearing sportcoats, blazers, or casual suits. It won't work if the party's truly formal dress, but I'm going on the assumption that what you call "formal," most of us here would identify as "semi-formal." (If you're not expected to show up in a tuxedo, don't go calling it formal. If you are expected to show up in a tuxedo, then your problem of what to wear is easily solved - wear a tuxedo.)

My experience with cast parties is decades old, and even then it wasn't all that extensive. But generally speaking, they weren't affairs where the most traditional aspects of proper dress were rigidly upheld. Struggling young actors weren't made to feel like buffoons for wearing balmorals instead of derbys, and that's putting it very mildly. Maybe things have changed, or maybe this is a cast party that's going to be covered by tv cameras and the press or something, and super-rich financial backers will be second in abundance only to middle-aged heiresses shopping for new boy toys. But assuming it's not that type of party (a pretty safe assumption), my guess is that you needn't get too stressed out over what to wear.
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Originally Posted by aglose View Post

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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

squats?

That's what caused the problem in the first place. I squat about 400lbs which makes my butt large and pushes the sides of my single vented jackets out a bit more then is probably acceptable.

In that case, squat less?
post #21658 of 27531
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Originally Posted by xxxamazexxx View Post

Today I got the the Harris Tweed jacket I posted about a few days ago. First impression, the material is quite wonderful, and I feel really comfortable in it. Second impression, it doesn't fit perfectly. Okay, I didn't expect it to in the first place, so that's why I'm here again.
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What should and can be altered so that the jacket can fit me better? I got it from eBay for cheap so I really don't mind spending on some alterations.

Sleeves are too short, but other than that, looks pretty good.

There is also a tailors' thread specifically for fit questions, though you might want to try taking clearer photos first.
post #21659 of 27531
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Originally Posted by xxxamazexxx View Post

Today I got the the Harris Tweed jacket I posted about a few days ago. First impression, the material is quite wonderful, and I feel really comfortable in it. Second impression, it doesn't fit perfectly. Okay, I didn't expect it to in the first place, so that's why I'm here again.

 

What should and can be altered so that the jacket can fit me better? I got it from eBay for cheap so I really don't mind spending on some alterations.

 

The first thing to do it put on a proper shirt and tie, dress shoes and a belt i.e. wear it the way you're going to wear it.  You'll get a much better idea of how it's really looking.  Then review what E.TF said!

 

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Originally Posted by aglose View Post

With my Harris tweed the single vent in the back pulls open because of my rather large buttocks. Is there anyway to fix this without making the jacket look odd when worn? It's also only a big issue when I'm walking, if I'm standing around it isn't too bad but after walking it looks like someone cut the jacket apart.

 

If there is plenty of excess fabric in the side seams and the vent itself, your tailor might be able to let it out a bit, but it's tricky to keep it hanging right.  But I suspect it;s just the wrong jacket.  I know the centre vent is very common in the US, but it might not be right for your body shape, at least not in standard fits.

post #21660 of 27531
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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post

The typical cast party to which a college student such as yourself would be invited would more likely feature jeans, than formal or semi-formal dress, but if you've been to one before, and you tell me it'll be formal or semi-formal, I guess I have to believe you. (Although note my comment on formal attire, below.)

Wear your white shirt. Pull on a pair of chinos. Buy an inexpensive navy blazer off eBay. There. The bulk of your work is done, and you haven't spent big money, either.

I'd add a tie, maybe even a bow tie. Almost any tie will be at least tolerable with a white shirt, chinos, and navy blazer.

If you own a pair of loafers, wear 'em. If not, well, shoes that'll work with chinos and a navy blazer aren't all that hard to find; you might already have a suitable pair.

The above is much better than the vest and grey pinstriped dress pants look you mentioned. It'll serve you adequately assuming most of the other male guests at the party are wearing sportcoats, blazers, or casual suits. It won't work if the party's truly formal dress, but I'm going on the assumption that what you call "formal," most of us here would identify as "semi-formal." (If you're not expected to show up in a tuxedo, don't go calling it formal. If you are expected to show up in a tuxedo, then your problem of what to wear is easily solved - wear a tuxedo.)

My experience with cast parties is decades old, and even then it wasn't all that extensive. But generally speaking, they weren't affairs where the most traditional aspects of proper dress were rigidly upheld. Struggling young actors weren't made to feel like buffoons for wearing balmorals instead of derbys, and that's putting it very mildly. Maybe things have changed, or maybe this is a cast party that's going to be covered by tv cameras and the press or something, and super-rich financial backers will be second in abundance only to middle-aged heiresses shopping for new boy toys. But assuming it's not that type of party (a pretty safe assumption), my guess is that you needn't get too stressed out over what to wear.
Thanks for the info, in regards to the atmosphere of the party it is pretty atypical compared to similiar events with other groups. this particular group likes to make an event of it if only for the sake of showing off to each other. past events with them ive usually just worn a nice black suit and tie (which is now to large for me) but i was kind of looking to change it up a bit this time. a nicer suit is typically what ive seen in the past. ive even seen a few three piece suits. that said these are all theater/dance types so some of them have gotten creative and theres not really any set dress code or style as its all just an excuse to get dressed up, and the outfit you laid out would likely not be to out of place either.
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