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What I really meant was, will these go well with chinos and/or trousers/dress pants. Sorry for the confusion.

 

Thank you for your well thought out response!

 

Just for your information, though:

 

When there are major clients coming, we wear suits. On typical days, most people get away with chinos/dress pants/collared shirts/nice shoes, although some still wear suits.

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Michael, scroll back a few: I think what he means is "would the specific shoes he mentioned work with chinos and a shirt and tie".

 

But I agree: shirt and tie with no jacket says refrigerator salesman to me.  Either wear a suit/jacket and tie, or don't wear a tie at all.  If "casual" is the office look, then a nice shirt - maybe a button down - chinos, the shoes in question, and a jacket - even if only worn when arriving and leaving - is a nice laid back look for a gentleman.

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Mimo,

 

Excellent response. Much appreciated.
 

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The comment was ill-informed.  You should wear it a third of the way down your tie.  Which it sounds like you did.  

Alternatively, don't wear one.  They're a little tacky, but I appreciate necessary from time to time - e.g. if you have some ties that are too short to tuck when tied in the knot you want, or on a windy day.

If the neck is button number one, wearing it around the third button is indeed really high, that advice is probably not at all misplaced.

I wear mine right about at the solar plexus, and that's where I see most people wearing them. That comes in a bit below the 4th button for me, or about halfway between 4 and 5, depending on the shirt. If you're wearing it much higher than that, it looks like you're just trying to add bling, and the higher you go, the less practical effect you get anyway. Those little clip microphones for TV are the only thing that belongs that high up on a tie.
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Michael, scroll back a few: I think what he means is "would the specific shoes he mentioned work with chinos and a shirt and tie".
Yeah, my answer was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. It's just that there are so many "Can I wear these shoes with..." questions, that after a while it becomes challenging to treat each and every one with the seriousness it deserves.

Okay, as for the AE Bentons, about which Bartleby Trout asks -

If memory serves, the Benton was originally part of Allen Edmonds' "Corporate Casuals" shoe collection. This was back in the late '90s, and was something of a response to many offices no longer expecting employees to wear suits, but instead to simply "dress nicely," in a business casual sense.

So clearly, the Bentons are a solid choice with, say, chinos and an OCBD.

But they're also pretty versatile shoes. While I genuinely don't think they'd typically be the best choice for wearing with jeans, I won't go so far as to argue that they'd necessarily be a terrible choice, either.

And going in the other direction from business casual, I think they'd work pretty well with dress pants and a sport coat. And might even be okay with a suit. Maybe not with a particularly somber or formal suit, but at least with some suits, on some occasions.
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Need to shorten dress shirt sleeves.
Should it be long enough or a tad short of reaching the point where my thumb meets the rest of my hand when I wear the shirt with cuffs unbuttoned?
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So where do you think would be the best place for a high schooler to get a suit? Or does it not really matter at this point?

If you can swing another $120 bucks, Suit Supply has several high quality and stylishly cut wool suits for $399.

http://us.suitsupply.com/suits/suit-blue-plain-sevilla-p3482/P3482,en_US,pd.html?start=6&cgid=Suits&srule=PriceAsc

They have stores in Atlanta, Chicago, New York, Philly, and Washington DC.

 

If you need to stay under $300, I would just go to any of the major warehouse stores and look for a sale. Quality is not great, but unless you wear it often, it may not matter.

 

Try to make sure the suit fits really well or have it altered to do so. Even a mediocre suit can make you look pretty good if it fits.

http://www.esquire.com/style/tips/suit-fit-0708

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Looking at some shoes and I see some excellent colors like GG's Racing Green. But what the heck do you wear these with? It seems like they'd only go well with the staples (navy/grey) and green.

 

Same for some Carmina loafers from Skoak's website. Gorgeous but not sure what I'd wear the green loafers with.

 

Anyone have any ideas for green suede loafers or GG's Racing Green?

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Yeah, my answer was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. It's just that there are so many "Can I wear these shoes with..." questions, that after a while it becomes challenging to treat each and every one with the seriousness it deserves.

Okay, as for the AE Bentons, about which Bartleby Trout asks -

If memory serves, the Benton was originally part of Allen Edmonds' "Corporate Casuals" shoe collection. This was back in the late '90s, and was something of a response to many offices no longer expecting employees to wear suits, but instead to simply "dress nicely," in a business casual sense.

So clearly, the Bentons are a solid choice with, say, chinos and an OCBD.

But they're also pretty versatile shoes. While I genuinely don't think they'd typically be the best choice for wearing with jeans, I won't go so far as to argue that they'd necessarily be a terrible choice, either.

And going in the other direction from business casual, I think they'd work pretty well with dress pants and a sport coat. And might even be okay with a suit. Maybe not with a particularly somber or formal suit, but at least with some suits, on some occasions.

Michael,

 

I understand how frustrating it can be, but you should keep in mind that people come here because you guys are awesome at this stuff. A style idiot like me comes here for advice and guidance from stylish, well put together gentlemen (probably like yourself). I strive to look my best as much as possible, but sometimes I just don't know what works.

 

Thanks again for the help! 

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If the neck is button number one, wearing it around the third button is indeed really high, that advice is probably not at all misplaced.

I wear mine right about at the solar plexus, and that's where I see most people wearing them. That comes in a bit below the 4th button for me, or about halfway between 4 and 5, depending on the shirt. If you're wearing it much higher than that, it looks like you're just trying to add bling, and the higher you go, the less practical effect you get anyway. Those little clip microphones for TV are the only thing that belongs that high up on a tie.

So you're saying this...



rather than this...



...?
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I want to know where can I get the best denim jeans for under 200 dollars? 

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I want to know where can I get the best denim jeans for under 200 dollars? 
Perhaps it would be more productive and appropriate were you to ask over in the Streetwear and Denim forum, as opposed to here in Classic Menswear.
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So you're saying this...



rather than this...



...?

Not in terms of the cut of the suit, but yes. Michael Douglas is wearing his tie bar in a much more traditional location.

Though after a quick google search, I see where this is coming from. GQ idiocy. Don't ever listen to them. Seriously, I see a photo of a guy wearing one with a three piece. It seems like GQ is treating it like jewelry you can put near your face rather than a practical item.
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How high do you wear a tie clip?
Assuming one wants to wear a tie clip - and a whole lot of men don't care for them at all - he's one way to look at the whole "How high...?" matter -

There is a general rule that if you're wearing a tie, you ought to be wearing a jacket (suit jacket, sport coat, blazer, etc.) with it. Like all general rules, there are men who knowingly violate it (that's why it's a general rule, and not an absolute law), but it does enjoy a high degree of acceptance, and an extremely high degree of acceptance among those men who care about the rules of classic men's attire.

If one is wearing a jacket, there is a general rule (yes, another one of those) which suggests that it be kept buttoned. Not necessarily while you're seated (unless it's a double breasted jacket), but assuming you're wearing a jacket, and you're standing, and people might see you, it's recommended - again, by most people who take an interest in the rules of classic men's dress - that you button that jacket.

One guideline which has long made sense to me is that if you choose to wear a tie bar, it be worn low enough that it is not readily visible while your jacket is buttoned.

Note that even if you're not wearing a jacket, or if you're wearing an unbuttoned jacket, this guideline can still be applied. Imagine that you're wearing a jacket and/or imagine that you have buttoned your jacket. Now, position your tie bar in such a way that it would be hidden by this hypothetical buttoned jacket.

So, that's one school of thought regarding proper tie bar wearing height.

Alternatively, wear a bow tie.

And yes, I get that some model and/or quasi celebrity, while sporting a 3 day growth of beard, and probably while wearing a ridiculously short and tight suit, might be photographed with his tie bar 1" below his tie's knot. If you want to follow his lead, nobody's going to arrest you for it. But he's already violating so many of the traditional standards of men's attire, that violating one more scarcely matters. It's like deciding to wear shorts, t-shirt, and clown shoes to a state funeral, and then worrying about what color socks are most funeral appropriate.
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Yes and if the purpose of a tie bar is to stop your tie swinging about the place, having it high up still leaves most of the tie free to swing about the place, which belies the fact that you're wearing it because you think it looks pretty rather than for practical purposes. Michael Douglas's looks about right to me, and would be covered by his jacket when buttoned.
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