Understood. Mine was an accident -- I thought I was in the other forum. I'm an old man, I'm confused!
No worries, Irish. In hope that you find some folks over there who can help you out.
I was being purposely malapropic with a phrase (hence the winky thingy)...I'm sure you were expecting "je ne sais quoi"...I thought it was clever...c'est la vie...jokes like fashion choices sometimes fall flat...non?
I actually find the 16-33 slim fits and extra slim fits that my neck and arms need from Brooks Brothers are slightly too wide in the shoulder. Maybe 1/4"-1/2" on each side. But so far it does not bother me enough to do anything about it.
Depends what you mean by "dress pants". You couldn't really wear these with a formal suit, but then if you were wearing something light in colour, like a beige linen suit, it would fly OK. These are fun, casual shoes, but could still pair with classic "dress" wear if it is light and informal.
I second the comment above- it would seem to me that of the fabric was not cut out during the original alteration that it could be taken back out.
Good comments on this so far- they are nice enough for slacks, linen, etc, but not good for a proper suit. Informal dress would be fine.