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Hi again, I'm a noob also shog[1].gif

 

So I have a two-part question. What suspenders color can go with most outfits? Also, what is appropriate to wear with suspenders (pants with no belt loops?) and what is never a good idea (a belt, a vest?)

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So I am going to my best friend's rehearsal dinner this weekend and had a quick pocket square question. I will be wearing a black suit (I know I know, never wear black unless it's a funeral. Essentially, I have no other options.) I was going to pull the trigger on a white linen pocket square via Kent Wang, but never got around to it. Because it's this weekend I missed the ability to order online. Due to my complaining, my wife went to Nordstrom and picked up a silk white PS for me. 

 

Can you do a TV fold/straight fold with a silk square? Between a white, pink, berry (deeper color, almost "dark") or lavender shirt what would work best? Thanks for any input.

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Hello all, 

 

New member here and wanted some opinions on blazer buttons. I want some opinions on button size and these buttons in general. I feel like the buttons on the blazers I can afford look cheesy. I'm trying to make a nod toward the heritage of the blazer (gold and metal buttons) but a touch contemporary.  The sizes the button below comes in 14mm, 18mm 23mm, 28mm. I have a hard time visualizing these buttons, which sizes should I use? I was thinking two 18mm on the front and 3 14mm on each cuff? The blazer is a basic slim cut tommy hilfiger navy (at macys.com). 

 

 

Any advice welcome! Thanks in advance!

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post


Not to be facetious, but if a tuxedo didn't have satin lapels and satin stripes down the sides of the pants, it'd just be another black suit. I mean, the former is probably the single most common characteristic differentiating a tuxedo jacket from an ordinary black jacket, and the latter the single most common characteristic differentiating tuxedo pants from ordinary black pants.
Yes, there may well be other, less common or more subtle differences, but the satin thing is the almost universal and immediately obvious one. Also, there may be differences in accompanying items - cummerbund, shoes, shirt studs, etc. But they're just that - accompanying items, and not the tuxedo itself. And for purposes of this post, "satin" should be taken to technically mean "satin or grosgrain."
It's sort of similar to the reason why tricycles have a third wheel - it's because without that third wheel, they'd just be bicycles. smile.gif
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Michael

 

So it's essentially there for the sole purpose of distinguishing it from a suit?

Well that's rather anticlimactic; I though there would've been some 'practical' reason as to why those features existed.

Nevertheless, thanks for the explanation.

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Originally Posted by thisisfun View Post

Does anybody know the reason as to why Tuxedos have satin lapels? Always wondered about that.

Tuxedos evolved from evening tailcoats...
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Silk lapel facings appeared in the 1860s, which menswear author Nicholas Antongiavanni credits to the envy of civilian men wearing their tailcoats in the company of heraldic finery or full-dress military uniform. Unlike today, the facing did not cover the entire lapel but stopped at the edge of the multiple buttonholes that were standard on lapels of the time.

http://www.blacktieguide.com/History/03-Victorian_Early,Mid.htm
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Originally Posted by LostnConfused View Post

What suspenders color can go with most outfits?
Strictly speaking, your suspenders should not be seen in public. They're like underwear that way. So, if you hold to this standard, and wear a jacket over your suspenders, and keep your jacket on, it doesn't matter what color the suspenders are. Yes, I recognize that many men habitually remove their jackets at work, at social events, etc. But that's the traditional, conservative rule, so I figured I'd mention it.

If you intend to go around with your suspenders visible, well, then I suppose suspenders which are compatible with the rest of your attire in terms of formality, color, pattern, fabric, etc., would work best. (Note that "compatible" isn't necessarily the same thing as "matching." It's much the same way as how a pocket square, necktie, and suit, when worn together, should all be compatible with each other, but it's typically best if they do not all match each other.)
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Also, what is appropriate to wear with suspenders (pants with no belt loops?) and what is never a good idea (a belt, a vest?)
1. If wearing a belt, do not also wear suspenders. If wearing suspenders, do not also wear a belt. It's strictly an "either/or" situation.

2. A vest should properly cover the waistband of one's pants. A belt will not infrequently tend to protrude under the vest, adding girth, drawing the eye to the waist, and ruining the smooth line. Consequently, if you're wearing a vest, suspenders may be an especially good idea.

3. Assuming your pants have suspender buttons sewn in (please do not wear clip-on suspenders), you may wear suspenders with them, even if the pants also have belt loops. This is generally acceptable (although some individuals may not care for the look). HOWEVER, see #4, below.

4. Technically, pants meant to be worn with a belt, and pants meant to be worn with suspenders, are tailored slightly differently. So, if your pants have belt loops and you routinely wear them with a belt, you may find that they won't hang quite as well when worn with suspenders as would a pair tailored specifically with suspenders in mind (and these pants specifically intended to be worn with suspenders would, presumably, not have belt loops). This may not necessarily be a major problem - a given pair of pants may prove acceptable when worn either way - but it is something to keep in mind. Certainly, if you ever went to a reputable bespoke tailor to have a suit made, he would want to know your preference, re belt/suspenders, and would adjust the fit accordingly.

BTW, bonus points to you for calling them "pants" and "suspenders," as opposed to "trousers" and "braces." smile.gif
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Michael
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post


Tuxedos evolved from evening tailcoats...
http://www.blacktieguide.com/History/03-Victorian_Early,Mid.htm

 

That makes much more sense. 

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I've been searching around for a good dress shirt in the $75-100 range.  Most people agree that the BB dress shirts are good for the price.  I'm curious, since the Benjamin suits get such good reviews, is how are the Benjamin dress shirts in terms of quality and fit when compared to the BB shirts?  

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Originally Posted by MarshMan114 View Post

Can you do a TV fold/straight fold with a silk square?
I find that silk lacks the body needed to work well with a TV/straight/Presidential fold. I like silk pocket squares just fine, but almost always wear them casually stuffed into the pocket, in what I believe is called a puff "fold" (which isn't really much of a fold, at all).

For the more formal sorts of folds you're asking about, I stick with linen or cotton.

That having been said, I'm not claiming that it's utterly impossible to wear a silk square in a TV/straight fold. Just that more often than not, this isn't the ideal combination.
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Between a white, pink, berry (deeper color, almost "dark") or lavender shirt what would work best?
Well, black and white is a classic combination. Perhaps too stark for some tastes, although the situation and the tie might mitigate this to a considerable extent.

Black and pink can work well, too.

Please don't wear an "almost dark berry" shirt, with a black suit. Much as I dislike black suits, pairing them with dark shirts just makes the whole thing even worse.
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Michael
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Hey guys, i was wondering if wearing dark camel chinos(click to view) with these grey adidas shoes(click to view) will match/look good? 

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Quick Question: So I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I'm trying to make this hand-me-down blazer work with something. Two main questions

1. I was wondering if it was worth bothering

2. and if so, what would you suggest I do with it. Or am I on the right track?

 

Pictures: http://imgur.com/a/Bk9rU

 

Let me know of your suggestions, thanks!

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Originally Posted by grahamalama View Post

Quick Question: So I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I'm trying to make this hand-me-down blazer work with something. Two main questions
1. I was wondering if it was worth bothering
2. and if so, what would you suggest I do with it. Or am I on the right track?

Pictures: http://imgur.com/a/Bk9rU

Let me know of your suggestions, thanks!
It's neither classic nor versatile. From that perspective, I wouldn't bother.


Do you really want those? shog[1].gif
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