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post #13096 of 14958
2/22/12 at 12:23pm

Thanks that clears things up.

 

I'm still in 1L - so I was just curious where 3 pieces fit in.

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post #13097 of 14958
2/22/12 at 12:25pm
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It is more conservative than a two piece suit, so yes, it is perfectly acceptable for a law firm.

More formal, yes, but more conservative? I don't think many people would see it that way.
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post #13098 of 14958
2/22/12 at 12:30pm
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Thanks that clears things up.

I'm still in 1L - so I was just curious where 3 pieces fit in.

you're a 1L? the 3-piece does not fit in anywhere for you then
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post #13099 of 14958
2/22/12 at 1:04pm
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More formal, yes, but more conservative? I don't think many people would see it that way.
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Can you elaborate? What colors do you notice inspires more empathy from jurors, be it for the lawyer or client? I am always quite interested in the psychology of such things nod[1].gif

I took a CLE a few years ago on this so most of this is just me repeating but in front of a jury I wear CBD, charcoal or navy suit, regimental tie, white or blue shirt, white PS, black cap toes. When not in front of a jury I'll wear a bow tie, a 3 piece, wing tips, paisley ties, coloured PS, red socks, all that fun stuff (but not all at the same time of course).

For clients I always tell them to dress comfortably but appropriately. Most come in with button down shirts and the occasional bad tie from Kohl's. Rarely do they wear a suit, because they feel and look uncomfortable wearing it. No jeans or t shirts obviously.

I don't know if any of this is true, but I've followed it for near a decade and I've won more than I've lost so take it for whatever it's worth.

I might still have the CLE packet at the office if you're really interested I could send it to you.
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post #13100 of 14958
2/22/12 at 1:50pm

One more question:  Is the Florsheim Kenmoor Cap Toe an acceptable, affordable substitution for AE park ave?

http://www.florsheim.com/shop/style/17108-01.html

 

Thank you.

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post #13101 of 14958
2/22/12 at 1:53pm
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One more question:  Is the Florsheim Kenmoor Cap Toe an acceptable, affordable substitution for AE park ave?

http://www.florsheim.com/shop/style/17108-01.html

 

Thank you.


Let me answer your question with a question.

Do you already eat ramen noodles for every mean? If yes, then yes.
If no, then no.
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post #13102 of 14958
2/22/12 at 2:17pm
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Thanks that clears things up.

 

I'm still in 1L - so I was just curious where 3 pieces fit in.



One more word of advice - I would not wear a three piece suit to an interview.  In the legal world I get the impression it is bad form to dress above your station.  You likewise do not want to stand out too much by showing up with a $1500 suit and $600 shoes, etc.  Interviews are not fashion shows - they are a moment in which your judgment is judged.  Conservative attire is key.  A little flair is ok, but not so much that your judgment/personality is called into question.

 

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post #13103 of 14958
2/22/12 at 2:23pm
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I took a CLE a few years ago on this so most of this is just me repeating but in front of a jury I wear CBD, charcoal or navy suit, regimental tie, white or blue shirt, white PS, black cap toes. When not in front of a jury I'll wear a bow tie, a 3 piece, wing tips, paisley ties, coloured PS, red socks, all that fun stuff (but not all at the same time of course).
For clients I always tell them to dress comfortably but appropriately. Most come in with button down shirts and the occasional bad tie from Kohl's. Rarely do they wear a suit, because they feel and look uncomfortable wearing it. No jeans or t shirts obviously.
I don't know if any of this is true, but I've followed it for near a decade and I've won more than I've lost so take it for whatever it's worth.
I might still have the CLE packet at the office if you're really interested I could send it to you.

If you still happen to have it, I would be most appreciative, good sir.
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post #13104 of 14958
2/22/12 at 2:26pm
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Let me answer your question with a question.
Do you already eat ramen noodles for every mean? If yes, then yes.
If no, then no.


 

Surely you jest, Harvey.  You could do a LOT worse than those and believe me, I've seen law students do a lot worse than those, even at interviews.  I am less than a decade removed from law school and believe that you could even pass with a pair of black Cole Haan captoes (gasp!).  In an interview or mixer situation, they're just checking to be sure you don't have white tube socks on and your shoes are black, and that they match your belt (and that you have a belt).  They're not going to examine the stitching and ask where you bought them.  If you are a poor law student, for $100 you can get a nice pair of Cole Haan captoes that will last you through most interviewing situations and be very comfortable (but they won't last much longer than that).  They key in an interview is to be comfortable and to at least pass for the part you are playing.  More substantive attire can be acquired after you graduate.  I also kind-of think that an interviewer could just as easily size you up and decide you are not hungry enough for their firm if you can already afford AEs or a $1200 suit.  In my experience, I've found that law firms like their associates poor and in debt.  Squalor is a motivating factor.
 

 

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post #13105 of 14958
2/22/12 at 3:20pm
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Surely you jest, Harvey.  You could do a LOT worse than those and believe me, I've seen law students do a lot worse than those, even at interviews.  I am less than a decade removed from law school and believe that you could even pass with a pair of black Cole Haan captoes (gasp!).  In an interview or mixer situation, they're just checking to be sure you don't have white tube socks on and your shoes are black, and that they match your belt (and that you have a belt).  They're not going to examine the stitching and ask where you bought them.  If you are a poor law student, for $100 you can get a nice pair of Cole Haan captoes that will last you through most interviewing situations and be very comfortable (but they won't last much longer than that).  They key in an interview is to be comfortable and to at least pass for the part you are playing.  More substantive attire can be acquired after you graduate.  I also kind-of think that an interviewer could just as easily size you up and decide you are not hungry enough for their firm if you can already afford AEs or a $1200 suit.  In my experience, I've found that law firms like their associates poor and in debt.  Squalor is a motivating factor.

 

+1. I saw some guys who I thought looked a bit too polished for law firm interviews, it stuck in my mind and not in a good way. In my experience, nobody wants to hire someone that dresses better than them and, frankly, most lawyers don't dress all that well.

I think I posted this elsewhere on the forum, but I remember reading somewhere that Johnnie Cochran made OJ go buy crap suits from JCP so that he didn't dress better than the jury and look too snobby.
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post #13106 of 14958
2/22/12 at 3:24pm
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+1. I saw some guys who I thought looked a bit too polished for law firm interviews, it stuck in my mind and not in a good way. In my experience, nobody wants to hire someone that dresses better than them and, frankly, most lawyers don't dress all that well.
I think I posted this elsewhere on the forum, but I remember reading somewhere that Johnnie Cochran made OJ go buy crap suits from JCP so that he didn't dress better than the jury and look too snobby.

This is a bit annoying.

Gonna intern at a bank and I am afraid of just this (needless to say, I forgot my tie for the interviews, so a contrast there).
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post #13107 of 14958
2/22/12 at 3:28pm
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+1. I saw some guys who I thought looked a bit too polished for law firm interviews, it stuck in my mind and not in a good way. In my experience, nobody wants to hire someone that dresses better than them and, frankly, most lawyers don't dress all that well.
I think I posted this elsewhere on the forum, but I remember reading somewhere that Johnnie Cochran made OJ go buy crap suits from JCP so that he didn't dress better than the jury and look too snobby.


If the suit doesn't fit, you must acquit!

 

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post #13108 of 14958
2/22/12 at 3:49pm

 

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Thanks that clears things up.

 

I'm still in 1L - so I was just curious where 3 pieces fit in.


 

Another benefit of a matching suit vest - if you're a dolt and drop mustard on your dress shirt at lunch, the vest can hide many such mortal sins (even to some extent it can hide the ill-fitting or cheaply made dress shirt/tie, etc.).  Plus, if the interview goes poorly, you'll look great with the vest on and jacket off hustling pool.  And, completely unrelated to law and interviews (but maybe not) - women love men in three piece suits.  No idea why, they just do (well, I do have one or two theories, but I digress).
 

 

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post #13109 of 14958
2/22/12 at 3:53pm
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This is a bit annoying.
Gonna intern at a bank and I am afraid of just this (needless to say, I forgot my tie for the interviews, so a contrast there).



This may just be my own opinion or experience, but investment banker attire is most definitely not equivalent to attorney attire (sorry for the alliteration, I couldn't help myself).  Attorneys on the whole tend to be more conservative, or even perhaps the most conservative, dressers as a profession.  I would not transpose the advice about attorney ... garb onto the banker profession; they're apples and oranges (or maybe tangelos and navels?).  Just my two cents.

 

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post #13110 of 14958
2/22/12 at 7:18pm
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Surely you jest, Harvey.  You could do a LOT worse than those and believe me, I've seen law students do a lot worse than those, even at interviews.  I am less than a decade removed from law school and believe that you could even pass with a pair of black Cole Haan captoes (gasp!).  In an interview or mixer situation, they're just checking to be sure you don't have white tube socks on and your shoes are black, and that they match your belt (and that you have a belt).  They're not going to examine the stitching and ask where you bought them.  If you are a poor law student, for $100 you can get a nice pair of Cole Haan captoes that will last you through most interviewing situations and be very comfortable (but they won't last much longer than that).  They key in an interview is to be comfortable and to at least pass for the part you are playing.  More substantive attire can be acquired after you graduate.  I also kind-of think that an interviewer could just as easily size you up and decide you are not hungry enough for their firm if you can already afford AEs or a $1200 suit.  In my experience, I've found that law firms like their associates poor and in debt.  Squalor is a motivating factor.

Sorry, but if he can afford the AEs at least I'm not going to give him permission to wear Cole Haans. If he's destitute then he's gotta wear whatever he's gotta wear, but that was the point of my post.

I would also be surprised if a firm that is prejudiced against well dressed applicants could tell the difference on sight between AEs and Cole Haans.
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