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post #32056 of 33197
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Originally Posted by bringusingoodale View Post

[quote name="ROI II"No. Black and brown don't go together and neither do black and navy, but some/most people find it acceptable to wear black shoes with a navy suit.

what?

navy suit with black shoes is standard wear for any man that typically wears suit for business or evening events.

unless you are actually advocating this sort of thing:
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otherwise known as the "I get my fashion advice from bloggers" look.[/quote] It just doesn't seem logical to me that black and navy don't go together, except for navy suits and black shoes. Navy suits and black shoes seems like a thing for people that don't have dark brown shoes.

The picture you show as an example isn't a great example either. I wouldn't really call that a conservative navy.
post #32057 of 33197
Navy and black definitely can work (same with black and brown). It is just not an easy look to balance. That said, balance is the essence of CM style and what makes consistently great dressers stand out. It's the hardest thing to understand since it's one of those "you know it when it works" sort of things.

Let's take a standard look of navy suit, white shirt, black/white glen plaid tie. Is dark brown really the ideal shoe choice over black in that situation?
post #32058 of 33197
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Originally Posted by HermesSeeker View Post

I found this Brioni jacket today, but I'm new to this and still not sure of its value.  I'm thinking of buying it for myself (it's my size: 42).  He's asking $60 for it.  Thoughts?

It's an orphan tuxedo jacket. As a person who buys and wears orphan tuxedo jackets for specific reasons (but only at thrift store prices, like $10 or under), I would not buy that jacket at $60. It is basically useless without the pants, unless for whatever reason you don't care about your tuxedo pants and jacket exactly matching.
post #32059 of 33197
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post

what?

navy suit with black shoes is standard wear for any man that typically wears suit for business or evening events.

unless you are actually advocating this sort of thing:
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otherwise known as the "I get my fashion advice from bloggers" look. It just doesn't seem logical to me that black and navy don't go together, except for navy suits and black shoes. Navy suits and black shoes seems like a thing for people that don't have dark brown shoes.

The picture you show as an example isn't a great example either. I wouldn't really call that a conservative navy.
I'm not sure what happened in this quote mess. I didn't write some of this stuff.
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

Navy and black definitely can work (same with black and brown). It is just not an easy look to balance. That said, balance is the essence of CM style and what makes consistently great dressers stand out. It's the hardest thing to understand since it's one of those "you know it when it works" sort of things.

Let's take a standard look of navy suit, white shirt, black/white glen plaid tie. Is dark brown really the ideal shoe choice over black in that situation?
The black in the Glen Plaid is what is throwing this the wrong way.
post #32060 of 33197
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post


I'm not sure what happened in this quote mess. I didn't write some of this stuff.
The black in the Glen Plaid is what is throwing this the wrong way.

Not sure what the mess is supposed to say... but is there really a concept that black shoes and Navy suits don't go together? I mean I think it's perfectly acceptable but is brown really always the better option? 

post #32061 of 33197

It's a regional thing, I think. There's some idea, in America especially, that black and navy don't go together, and in some cases this is true (Black and Navy doesn't work in case of trousers and jacket usually, for instance), but in London specifically, black shoes are the norm, so Black and Navy is a clear go, but since that's not as much a thing in America, Navy is more often paired with Brown. The fact is, either is fine, but Brown is frowned upon in London, whereas Black + Navy is seen as a bad choice so even though in case of black shoes navy suit it is fine, you might look like you don't know stuff about clothes by people who dress by rules.

post #32062 of 33197
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Originally Posted by Isolation View Post

It's a regional thing, I think. There's some idea, in America especially, that black and navy don't go together, and in some cases this is true (Black and Navy doesn't work in case of trousers and jacket usually, for instance), but in London specifically, black shoes are the norm, so Black and Navy is a clear go, but since that's not as much a thing in America, Navy is more often paired with Brown. The fact is, either is fine, but Brown is frowned upon in London, whereas Black + Navy is seen as a bad choice so even though in case of black shoes navy suit it is fine, you might look like you don't know stuff about clothes by people who dress by rules.

Black and navy is more of a 'thing' in London than in the US partly, I suspect, because until recently the British interpretation of 'navy' was always rather duller and darker in tone. One of the old clothing stereotypes here was of the American wearing an 'electric-blue' suit, or some such colour. There are other factors at play, though.
post #32063 of 33197
What do you think to the fit of this shirt? It's from H&M can anyone tell me if they actually last more than a couple of washes?

Thanks.




post #32064 of 33197
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Originally Posted by iloveshirts View Post

What do you think to the fit of this shirt? It's from H&M can anyone tell me if they actually last more than a couple of washes?

Thanks.
 

 

Looks like it fits you quite well. Shoulder/yoke width looks good and cut is slim without being too tight. Actually one of the best fitting shirts that I can recall seeing on you. No idea about durability. 

 

Edit: one thing is that the sleeves may be slightly short on you, especially if there is shrinkage after washing. The body fits well.

post #32065 of 33197
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post


It's an orphan tuxedo jacket. As a person who buys and wears orphan tuxedo jackets for specific reasons (but only at thrift store prices, like $10 or under), I would not buy that jacket at $60. It is basically useless without the pants, unless for whatever reason you don't care about your tuxedo pants and jacket exactly matching.


Thank you, that's what I was wondering.  I was picturing myself as Daniel Craig in Casino Royale, but not if I can't find the pants.  Also, the thrift store wants $120 but yesterday was half-price.  So glad I passed on it.  

post #32066 of 33197
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Originally Posted by VirgilVerne View Post

Not sure what the mess is supposed to say... but is there really a concept that black shoes and Navy suits don't go together? I mean I think it's perfectly acceptable but is brown really always the better option? 
I don't think there is a concept for black shoes and navy suits not going together in fact I think CBD probably says that is what you should wear with a navy suit. I just can't get on board with navy and black in one outfit.
post #32067 of 33197
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Originally Posted by Isolation View Post

in London specifically, black shoes are the norm
In the US, when it comes to dress shoes (so I'm not talking about Top-Sider, athletic footwear, etc.), black is, by far, the most common color choice. If someone's wearing a suit, it's extremely likely he's wearing black shoes. Black far outsells all other colors combined.
post #32068 of 33197

With what shirt I could match a vest which is gray in the front and black on the back? I would consider black as the only option.

post #32069 of 33197
Black shoes and navy suit is the standard "gentleman's uniform"

again, if you are seriously advocating the brown shoe blue suit outfit over wearing black shoes as if somehow wearing black shoes is the lesser choice... it's time to step back from the forum and blog advice.

I think brown shoes with odd jacket and trousers can look good... Even dark brown and charcoal suit or navy suit, but the quickest way to label yourself as wannabe fop is to wear lighter shade of brown shoes with your dark suits.
Edited by bringusingoodale - 1/22/16 at 1:17pm
post #32070 of 33197
Black shoes with navy suit is not just perfectly fine, but preferable to the light tans and golden browns that people think make them well-dressed.
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