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Originally Posted by Albertoctro View Post

yes, actually i have a friend who has a better idea of how to dress, ill make sue to take him with me when i get the suit and shirt. tnaks for the advice on ties i was wondering about it when i decided to get the suit.

i have another question though, i ve seen that the OCBDs r popular for casual wear and id like to get some for normal days at the job and to be honest with you im not sure how to identify an OCBD from other shirts. Can you pls tell me what are the most popular brands so i can know what im looking for?. regards.

OCBD is Oxford Cloth Button Down. Button down refers to the collar, whose tips actually button to the shirt. Oxford cloth is a specific type of material. Does someone want to chime in on different types of cotton? I don't think I can explain them.
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Oxford cloth isn't a type of cotton, it's a type of weave
post #27408 of 31068
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

OCBD is Oxford Cloth Button Down. Button down refers to the collar, whose tips actually button to the shirt. Oxford cloth is a specific type of material. Does someone want to chime in on different types of cotton? I don't think I can explain them.

Here's a good reference on common shirting weaves
post #27409 of 31068
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Originally Posted by gringodaddy View Post

Oxford cloth isn't a type of cotton, it's a type of weave

Yes; thank you for catching that mistake. @Albertoctro Oxford cloth can be made from any material that can be woven into cloth.
post #27410 of 31068
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Originally Posted by Albertoctro View Post

yes, actually i have a friend who has a better idea of how to dress, ill make sue to take him with me when i get the suit and shirt. tnaks for the advice on ties i was wondering about it when i decided to get the suit.

i have another question though, i ve seen that the OCBDs r popular for casual wear and id like to get some for normal days at the job and to be honest with you im not sure how to identify an OCBD from other shirts. Can you pls tell me what are the most popular brands so i can know what im looking for?. regards.

Just to follow up on some of the other explanations, in real basic terms, if you've ever seen a shirt that a) has buttons on the collar points, and b) is a rougher kind of sandpaper-y texture, that's an OCBD. Engineer? Perfect for day-to-day office wear.

I'd say no to the OCBD for the interview though, even with a tie. I can't tell from your picture what the details are on the dress shirt you already have, but for an interview, a plain white would be best.
post #27411 of 31068
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Originally Posted by TJhambone09 View Post

Just to follow up on some of the other explanations, in real basic terms, if you've ever seen a shirt that a) has buttons on the collar points, and b) is a rougher kind of sandpaper-y texture, that's an OCBD. Engineer? Perfect for day-to-day office wear.

I'd say no to the OCBD for the interview though, even with a tie. I can't tell from your picture what the details are on the dress shirt you already have, but for an interview, a plain white would be best.

Excellent expansion, and valuable advice, I think.
post #27412 of 31068
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Originally Posted by Albertoctro View Post

I'm an engineer and im loooking forward to work in softtek, so I suppose you can call it an imprtant job. I do apologize if I'm making this difficult for you but I'm new to the dress well world and I really want to look better.

Will you need a suit at work? Regardless, you do need brown shoes. Get a pair pronto. You can't go to work every day in the same black shoes and same blue suit.

How old and where are you?
post #27413 of 31068
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Originally Posted by Veremund View Post


Will you need a suit at work? Regardless, you do need brown shoes. Get a pair pronto. You can't go to work every day in the same black shoes and same blue suit.

How old and where are you?

+1. You really need a minimum of 3 suits to ensure proper rotation (allow the fabric to air out and wrinkles to fall out, and so on) to allow the life of the suit to... well, not be extremely short lived. You really only need a pair of black shoes for interviews and formal events, but they are a necessity at some point in the shoe wardrobe, whether first or last. You also need at least two pairs of shoes to rotate (also to air out and settle back to form), although I really think three is optimal and the minimum rotation I use.

post #27414 of 31068
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Originally Posted by Andrew Ryan View Post

+1. You really need a minimum of 3 suits to ensure proper rotation (allow the fabric to air out and wrinkles to fall out, and so on) to allow the life of the suit to... well, not be extremely short lived. You really only need a pair of black shoes for interviews and formal events, but they are a necessity at some point in the shoe wardrobe, whether first or last. You also need at least two pairs of shoes to rotate (also to air out and settle back to form), although I really think three is optimal and the minimum rotation I use.
He doesn't even have a job yet, so has no idea if he even needs suits for work. He will need one for interviews though.
post #27415 of 31068
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Originally Posted by msulinski View Post


He doesn't even have a job yet, so has no idea if he even needs suits for work. He will need one for interviews though.

Oops, missed that he didn't have a job. In that case, indeed, one suit and one pair of black shoes should do him for now.

post #27416 of 31068
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Originally Posted by Veremund View Post

Will you need a suit at work? Regardless, you do need brown shoes. Get a pair pronto. You can't go to work every day in the same black shoes and same blue suit.

How old and where are you?

Hi
yes, i know i need a pair of brown shoes also, but cant afford them now. I will get a suit instead since i dont have a job yet.
Im 26 and im from mexico btw.
regards
post #27417 of 31068
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

Yes; thank you for catching that mistake. @Albertoctro Oxford cloth can be made from any material that can be woven into cloth.
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Originally Posted by TJhambone09 View Post

Just to follow up on some of the other explanations, in real basic terms, if you've ever seen a shirt that a) has buttons on the collar points, and b) is a rougher kind of sandpaper-y texture, that's an OCBD. Engineer? Perfect for day-to-day office wear.

I'd say no to the OCBD for the interview though, even with a tie. I can't tell from your picture what the details are on the dress shirt you already have, but for an interview, a plain white would be best.

excellent thanks for the info.
post #27418 of 31068
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Originally Posted by Veremund View Post

Will you need a suit at work? Regardless, you do need brown shoes. Get a pair pronto. You can't go to work every day in the same black shoes and same blue suit.

How old and where are you?
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Originally Posted by Andrew Ryan View Post

+1. You really need a minimum of 3 suits to ensure proper rotation (allow the fabric to air out and wrinkles to fall out, and so on) to allow the life of the suit to... well, not be extremely short lived. You really only need a pair of black shoes for interviews and formal events, but they are a necessity at some point in the shoe wardrobe, whether first or last. You also need at least two pairs of shoes to rotate (also to air out and settle back to form), although I really think three is optimal and the minimum rotation I use.

I think the conclusion is - spend your money now on a navy or charcoal suit for your interview. Thrift it and get some alterations done. The major noticeable important alterations would be sleeve length and waist - my tailor charges $15 for sleeves and $15 for waist generally. If you have some time and patience, get your measurements taken and scour eBay, get something close to your measurements (usually slightly bigger is better, as a tailor can take away cloth, but can't add it), and have it altered. If the current shirt you have is muted, it's fine, otherwise, get a plain white dress shirt (not OCBD). The shoes you have will do for your interview. Get a tie - solid or muted pattern, dark earth tones (maroon, green, navy, etc - NOT bright red, gold, bright blue, any neon type color etc.)

I'd generalize that in the US, engineers are relatively sloppy dressers. That doesn't mean you have to be, but you need to dress at a formality level relative to your peers so as to make them comfortable. You'd look strange in a suit every day compared to your peers, managers would think you are trying to one-up them, etc, not good. I'd assume Mexico is similar. OCBDs and chinos will be perfect once you actually get the job. So, your first paycheck will be 2-3 more pairs of chinos (get maybe another shade of tan from what you already have, a navy, and maybe grey), 4-5 OCBDs (white, blue, salmon/pink, and maybe some muted stripes or gingham check), and brown shoes. Throw the black shoes in your closet and don't pull them out again until a formal event, performance assessment, another interview, etc. Again, if you have patience, you can find gold at thrift shops or eBay, but if not, do the best you can in department stores.

Fit is INFINITELY more important than quality at this stage for you. Make sure everything fits, and if it doesn't make sure you get it cheap enough to afford alterations to make it fit. The most common offenders are pant legs too long and shirts too big in the body. Get pants hemmed so the top of the pants just touches the top of your shoe and has a slight bend, should be under $10 per pair of pants to have done. If shirts are billow-y in the body or there is a lot of bunching when you tuck them in, get the shirts taken in at the sides or have darts added to slim down the body. Cost will depend on how much work is needed, but maybe anywhere from $5-15 would be a guess. It's better to have 5 perfectly fitted shirts than 10 that are huge, with the same cost in the end. You just have to do laundry more, but you'll look better every day. Some will argue to not waste money on alterations unless it's a designer piece of clothing, but you don't want to wait to look good until you can afford those brands, right?

Next purchase would be a second pair of brown shoes, different style and color. Why? Because shoes last longer when they can air out and dry out between wears, so you rotate them every day. Then, I'd sprinkle in a few more shirts and save for a third pair of brown shoes, just to expand the rotation. Pick up a second tie at some point so in the event you have to wear your suit 2 days in a row, you can at least rotate the tie (it's OK to wear the same suit 2 days in a row, no one will notice that). At that point, you don't need any more, so save your money for some life events.
post #27419 of 31068
^^^ Listen to the man, for he is wise.
post #27420 of 31068
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

^^^ Listen to the man, for he is wise.

Thanks. Do as I say, not as I do. I wish I could follow my own advice. I'm a very "shiny object" kind of guy - I spend way too much money on stuff I don't actually need. I have about 10 gold ties for example. I'd argue I don't even need one. But it was a great deal at the time!
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