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post #26206 of 33197
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post


Ugh, I know, normally I would be the first to say that, but look at the thing.

It's just weird. The flannel looks buttery soft, the gray is just a shade I can't imagine wearing in the country, the flapless patch pockets for decoration, the three button high stance when it is certainly not a hacking jacket.

I just don't understand the thing, it kind of screams fashion victim, but it kind of doesn't. It just struck me as urban wear, and it looks way too soft to wear an ocbd with.

J


I think you're overthinking things. The idea than an oxford shirt doesn't "go" with soft textures doesn't really make sense. I don't think oxford works well with "hard" or smooth finishes, but I think a hefty dose of texture (soft or rough) is a natural pairing. Patch pockets are a casual detail, and the idea that three-button closures are only for hacking jackets is kind of odd. That third button doesn't really want to stay closed, either.

 

The gray isn't really a "country" shade, but, I mean, is the main wearing of casual tailored clothing truly in the countryside -- ie, a truly rural setting, rather than a social event or visit to even a small town in a rural area? I don't particularly like the jacket -- it's not such an easy color to wear as an odd jacket to begin with, and the overcheck is a funny color, but that just makes it a bad example of a breed, not some weird mongrel thing.

 

EDIT: What does it say about me that I've used "closed laces vs. open laces" as a way to get around the whole semantic mess of laceup shoes? I also own AE seconds now. #iGentAllTheWay?

post #26207 of 33197
The main issue with cotton suits for summer is that they don't wear as comfortably in the heat as you'd expect (excluding seersucker, and drapes like shit. Plus this is from jcrew which means it'll have those horrible narrow lapels. Lightweight high twist wool, and wool/linen blends are better options.

post #26208 of 33197
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Originally Posted by gringodaddy View Post

What exactly are decorative patch pockets?

Patch pockets on a sportcoat are for holding stuff, like shotgun shells, knives, flasks, and tobacco pouches; when they are stitched on flat so you can't put anything bigger than an iPhone in them without distorting the jacket, I consider them decorative.

J
post #26209 of 33197
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Originally Posted by YRR92 View Post


I think you're overthinking things. The idea than an oxford shirt doesn't "go" with soft textures doesn't really make sense. I don't think oxford works well with "hard" or smooth finishes, but I think a hefty dose of texture (soft or rough) is a natural pairing. Patch pockets are a casual detail, and the idea that three-button closures are only for hacking jackets is kind of odd. That third button doesn't really want to stay closed, either.

The gray isn't really a "country" shade, but, I mean, is the main wearing of casual tailored clothing truly in the countryside -- ie, a truly rural setting, rather than a social event or visit to even a small town in a rural area? I don't particularly like the jacket -- it's not such an easy color to wear as an odd jacket to begin with, and the overcheck is a funny color, but that just makes it a bad example of a breed, not some weird mongrel thing.

EDIT: What does it say about me that I've used "closed laces vs. open laces" as a way to get around the whole semantic mess of laceup shoes? I also own AE seconds now. #iGentAllTheWay?

Overthinking is my middle name; well, actually it's Richard,but you get the idea.

J
post #26210 of 33197
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post


Patch pockets on a sportcoat are for holding stuff, like shotgun shells, knives, flasks, and tobacco pouches; when they are stitched on flat so you can't put anything bigger than an iPhone in them without distorting the jacket, I consider them decorative.

J


That's an odd notion.  Most I think see them as a stylistic feature that makes a jacket somewhat less formal. 

post #26211 of 33197
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Originally Posted by gringodaddy View Post


That's an odd notion.  Most I think see them as a stylistic feature that makes a jacket somewhat less formal. 

Patch pockets are less formal because they are more easily constructed, more easily repaired, and more easily accessed, which is to say more practical. That means they belong on a practical garment, such as a sport coat,and thus is why they are considered less formal. The very point of fornal garments, initially, was to demonstrate that you had sufficient wealth to (1) have them made, and (2) have the time, and places, to wear them. The non functionality of a formal garment was, essentially, what made it formal. The evening tailcoat, its stiff front shirt, and the top hat, are the most extreme examples.

So, in short, you are right, and J has given the history as to why you are right.
post #26212 of 33197
I have a powerful dislike of things that were meant to be functional, but now are ornamental, like the button and strap on the collar of a jacket if they don't actually close, or elbow patches on some POS article of clothing that will come apart at the seams before the fabric could ever wear.

J
post #26213 of 33197
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

I have a powerful dislike of things that were meant to be functional, but now are ornamental, like the button and strap on the collar of a jacket if they don't actually close, or elbow patches on some POS article of clothing that will come apart at the seams before the fabric could ever wear.

J

 

So... the buttons on the back of tailcoats?  Tailcoats themselves, with their split skirts that are not used for riding at all?  I may have found your kryptonite.

post #26214 of 33197
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

I have a powerful dislike of things that were meant to be functional, but now are ornamental, like the button and strap on the collar of a jacket if they don't actually close, or elbow patches on some POS article of clothing that will come apart at the seams before the fabric could ever wear.

J

They are functional though, as.....well, pockets.  I don't put anything in a jacket with regular flap/besom pockets that I wouldn't in a patch pocket jacket.  You may not like the style, but that is different.  They aren't decorative, unless the basting threads are left on them. 

post #26215 of 33197
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

So... the buttons on the back of tailcoats?  Tailcoats themselves, with their split skirts that are not used for riding at all?  I may have found your kryptonite.

I'm not that bad, it's the wanting to look like something, but it doesn't actually work.

I dunno, I'm weird, but that kind of goes without saying.

J
post #26216 of 33197
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Originally Posted by gringodaddy View Post

They are functional though, as.....well, pockets.  I don't put anything in a jacket with regular flap/besom pockets that I wouldn't in a patch pocket jacket.  You may not like the style, but that is different.  They aren't decorative, unless the basting threads are left on them. 

I don't dislike all patch pockets, just the ones that are sewn on flush to the jacket with zero room in them.

Maybe I'm describing it poorly. Maybe I'm an idiot. Either is possible.

J
post #26217 of 33197
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

I'm not that bad, it's the wanting to look like something, but it doesn't actually work.

I dunno, I'm weird, but that kind of goes without saying.

J

Don't worry. I'm with you on this one... Perhaps not as far, but I feel you blah.
post #26218 of 33197

I don't think you are an idiot, but they function as pockets just fine.  Perhaps some are different than the ones I own. 

post #26219 of 33197
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post


Patch pockets on a sportcoat are for holding stuff, like shotgun shells, knives, flasks, and tobacco pouches; when they are stitched on flat so you can't put anything bigger than an iPhone in them without distorting the jacket, I consider them decorative.

J


You can carry most of what you'd carry in a regular pocket in a regular patch pocket, though do I prefer the kind with flaps (tend to have a bit more ease). Ultimately, I figure putting anything in a pocket screws with something a little bit, so in for a penny, in for a pound.

 

Where are you actually going in tailored clothing with shotgun shells in your pocket? I mean, it seems to me if you're going shooting, there's stuff more convenient than a tailored jacket.

post #26220 of 33197

^^ I enjoy having a mix or patch and regular flap pocket coats.  One way that they are more functional (and this may be why they're featured on Neopolitan style jackets) is that you don't need that part of the coat to be lined if you have patch pockets, so great in warm weather.

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