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Has anyone experienced not receiving what they ordered? I bought a Drake's scarf and Ray-Ban sunglasses from The Gentlemen's Corner and only received the scarf. I have tried to contact them three times, but they do not respond. Is it possible to receive a partial refund through PayPal? 

post #26117 of 33127

Yes, of course, but you need to contact paypal immediately, as it's time sensitive.

post #26118 of 33127
Two quick shoe questions.

1: Why are so many shoes with open lacing advertised as Oxfords? I thought Oxfords were ipso facto closed laced, and open laced shoes were derbies.

2: When is it appropriate to wear tasseled loafers? Anything below a suit in formality and above jeans? Trousers and odd jacket? Chinos and sweater?

Thanks,

J
post #26119 of 33127
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

Two quick shoe questions.

1: Why are so many shoes with open lacing advertised as Oxfords? I thought Oxfords were ipso facto closed laced, and open laced shoes were derbies.

2: When is it appropriate to wear tasseled loafers? Anything below a suit in formality and above jeans? Trousers and odd jacket? Chinos and sweater?

Thanks,

J


1. Because they are clueless.

2. When you're an old man.
post #26120 of 33127
I think part of the answer for #1 is because the average dude just doesn't know all the different terms for types of shoes so if you're more of a mass producing mainstream brand it's easier to call a bunch of shoes oxfords than break them down correctly and have your customer not know what the hell you're talking about.

#2 unsure because I dislike loafers but what you said would seem to make sense.
post #26121 of 33127
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Originally Posted by RyanM View Post

1. Because they are clueless.

2. When you're an old man.

1: Better them than me.

2: That I've even asked the question is evidence that I am getting there at an alarming rate despite all my efforts to the contrary.

J
post #26122 of 33127

Hello all,

I like the forum a lot.  I have learned a lot lurking here the past six months.  It's nice to know more than the salesmen at the mall.

 

Question:

Some of the buttons on my sportcoats are coming loose.  It seems like I will have to fix them soon.  I want to sew them back on myself.  I checked out a couple of DIY's on the internet and the process seems simple.  However, if I do it myself the thread will now be visible on the inside of the jacket because I will punch all the way through both layers of fabric.  Currently the buttons are sewn through only the outer layer of cloth and are not visible from the back. 

 

I don't have a problem personally with the thread showing from the back, I just want to make sure I am not unintentionally making some sort of epic sartorial blunder before I proceed.  Thanks for any help.  You guys are great.

 

Edit:

Almost forgot, what about this notion of applying clear nail polish or similar to the thread on buttons to improve longevity.  Yay or nay?

post #26123 of 33127
Quote:
Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

1: Better them than me.

2: That I've even asked the question is evidence that I am getting there at an alarming rate despite all my efforts to the contrary.

J

I like tassle loafers, but I'm in Boston and a heathen regarding my sf tastes.
post #26124 of 33127
Quote:
Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

Two quick shoe questions.

1: Why are so many shoes with open lacing advertised as Oxfords? I thought Oxfords were ipso facto closed laced, and open laced shoes were derbies.

2: When is it appropriate to wear tasseled loafers? Anything below a suit in formality and above jeans? Trousers and odd jacket? Chinos and sweater?

Thanks,

J

 

1.  What Ryan said.  You will also see all oxfords referred to as "balmorals" in the US, as well as "oxfords" to mean any kind of shoe that is considered (by the vendor) to be "formal".  By definition a derby/gibson/blucher* isn't ever formal, but there are nevertheless plenty that are sold (and worn) as classic business dress.  You can't change the world, just sneer quietly to yourself.  Then you're practically English.

 

2.  Not what Ryan said.  Well, only in the sense that most people see all classic menswear as for "old men".  Tasseled loafers are casual shoes - outdoor slippers, if you will.  With the tassels, I suppose they are even more like slippers than other loafers.  They are the quintessential lazy shoe, along with their Prince Albert and Belgian cousins.  So what you said, really.  I'd never wear them with a suit, probably not with a jacket and definitely not with a tie.  But chinos or jeans with a sweater or just a shirt, absolutely.  N.B.  Jeans do not have to be denim.  Just saying.

post #26125 of 33127
Thanks, and I admire your useage of N.B.

J
post #26126 of 33127

J,

 

1. In American English, a shoe with laces is an oxford. A shoe with closed laces is a balmoral, and a shoe with open laces is a blucher. The UK usage I tend to see (this is basically online) often calls any shoe with closed laces an oxford and any shoe with open laces a derby. Those are nicer words, but they're still generalizations.


 

This is accurate, to the best of my knowledge. (Click to show)

Oxford:

Balmoral (AKA "galosh oxford"):

 

Derby:

Blucher:

2. As a very square American, I think tassel loafers are the dressiest loafer, and the best suited to wearing with a suit or blazer. In the American canon, they're most at home with a navy blazer and gray flannels -- that slightly odd in-between level of formality.

post #26127 of 33127
I was being a little snarky when I said old men, but that's because I prefer venetians, or maybe pennies. But there's nothing wrong with tassles; very trad. I think they used to have a stereotypical association with lawyers.
post #26128 of 33127
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kugelblitz View Post

Hello all,
I like the forum a lot.  I have learned a lot lurking here the past six months.  It's nice to know more than the salesmen at the mall.

Question:
Some of the buttons on my sportcoats are coming loose.  It seems like I will have to fix them soon.  I want to sew them back on myself.  I checked out a couple of DIY's on the internet and the process seems simple.  However, if I do it myself the thread will now be visible on the inside of the jacket because I will punch all the way through both layers of fabric.  Currently the buttons are sewn through only the outer layer of cloth and are not visible from the back. 

I don't have a problem personally with the thread showing from the back, I just want to make sure I am not unintentionally making some sort of epic sartorial blunder before I proceed.  Thanks for any help.  You guys are great.

Edit:
Almost forgot, what about this notion of applying clear nail polish or similar to the thread on buttons to improve longevity.  Yay or nay?

Why will you go through both layers? Just use the needle to pick only the top layer and stitch through it. I have read about using clear nail polish to keep the threads from loosening but have not tried it.
post #26129 of 33127
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Originally Posted by YRR92 View Post

 

 

Great post - I'm also enlightened by the apparent specific differences between "blucher" and "derby" of which I was hitherto entirely ignorant.  I'm wondering where "gibson" fits into that?  

 

On your second point, I think I also needed to be corrected: when I think of a tassel loafer, I'm thinking of the suede ones I wear as very relaxed casual shoes.  But I think perhaps your, Ryan's and the OP's mental picture (the lawyer reference etc.) is rather different: the highly-polished very Italian and "dressy" variety.  I have seen these a lot worn with suits by elegant southern-European businessmen, and Americans too.  Personally I don't think even these are quite "business" enough to wear with a suit, but it's certainly an established look for many.

post #26130 of 33127

To add to the oxford vs. blucher/gibson/derby discussion:  as an ebay seller, there is not a category for a lace up shoe other than either wingtip (which can be an oxford or derby) or oxford.  It creates a conundrum of more or less having to put any lace-up shoe that isn't a wingtip into the oxford category.  Sellers who know their product will clarify in the listing, but one is forced to use an incorrect category when selling a derby style shoe.  Local colloquialisms come in to play elsewhere (I've never heard anyone in my part of the country refer to a oxford as a balmoral, but have in other parts of the states).

 

I love tassel loafers in suede or cordovan leather personally (would wear a cordovan tassel with a suit in almost any setting), but they aren't a substitute for a  proper black lace-up shoe.

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